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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2013, 04:57:34 AM »
exactly same situation at Nikon and Canon: still no replacement for 7D and D300s.
70D closely matching D7100, both re-using the old phase AF-systems of the former top APS-C cameras.   

Most important prediction: 70D sensor with 20 MP and only 1 stop "better" than 7D will be NO MATCH for Nikon D7100 sensor and IQ - not in resolution and not in DR - I expect a 1-stop difference in Nikon's favor.

Apart from sensor, 70D and D7100 are very closely matched. Body quality very similar with some metal structure on the inside and a lot of plastics everywhere else. Definitely no complete Mg-alloy shell. Viewfinder (pentaprism, 100% coverage, somewhere between 0.94x to 0.98x magnification), single SD-card slot, pop-up flash w/wireless flash commander, no AFMA.

Some advantages for Canon: 7fps vs. 6fps, fully articulated LCD, better live-view implementation w/hybrid AF (Contrast + on-sensor phase-detect), probably better video and built-in WiFi.

Definitely nothing that would justify pricing above D7100 - currently @ € 1,000 / body. :-)

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2013, 04:57:34 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2013, 05:01:03 AM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.
How can you say that? DXO scores the 50f1.8 higher than the 600f4.0 so it MUST be a better lens........ (Huge sarcasm tag inserted here)
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« Reply #137 on: June 28, 2013, 05:20:16 AM »
What about Canon 8D?

http://www.fotoplus.su/catalog/photo/canon/5542/

As the 70D along with 8D was present on this site hours before the 70D specs leaked, I wouldn't be suprised if 8D also gets announced, and 7D2 will be a whole different body with different sensor.

What if 70D is like 60D in quality and AFMA, and 8D is like a more robust 7D, and 7D2 is something even better next year, even with a new and bigger sensor.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #138 on: June 28, 2013, 05:55:13 AM »
does that mean this sensor will be in the 7D MK2 too?

how likely do you think is it?

and do you think this sensor is using a better manufacturing process?

i really don´t want/need more MP but DR and low iso noise performance of the recent sony sensors would be nice.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #139 on: June 28, 2013, 06:00:40 AM »
It's an interesting spec list. This new camera isn't far off the current 7D specs.
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Re: Canon 8D?
« Reply #140 on: June 28, 2013, 06:03:56 AM »
What about Canon 8D?

http://www.fotoplus.su/catalog/photo/canon/5542/

As the 70D along with 8D was present on this site hours before the 70D specs leaked, I wouldn't be suprised if 8D also gets announced, and 7D2 will be a whole different body with different sensor.

What if 70D is like 60D in quality and AFMA, and 8D is like a more robust 7D, and 7D2 is something even better next year, even with a new and bigger sensor.

or maybe the 8D IS the 7D MK2?
the replacement of the current 7D.

they also would make room for a completely new 7D speeddemon with an APS-H sensor?
that way the naming in canons lineup would make more sense too, if there ever will be a new APS-H sensor.

FF:
1D
3D
5D
6D

APS-H:
7D

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8D
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Re: Canon 8D?
« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2013, 06:22:09 AM »
What about Canon 8D?

http://www.fotoplus.su/catalog/photo/canon/5542/

As the 70D along with 8D was present on this site hours before the 70D specs leaked, I wouldn't be suprised if 8D also gets announced, and 7D2 will be a whole different body with different sensor.

What if 70D is like 60D in quality and AFMA, and 8D is like a more robust 7D, and 7D2 is something even better next year, even with a new and bigger sensor.

Too many DSLR's body's ... If Canon will introduce a new body/camera category in the current range almost certainly will be a Big megapixel monster for studio and fashion use, not another pro-summer body.

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Re: Canon 8D?
« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2013, 06:22:09 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #142 on: June 28, 2013, 06:27:36 AM »
The specs of the 70D from my point of view bring into question the possibility that 7Dmk2 to be APS-H, thought as a real backup camera for 1Dx, and priced somewhere at $2500.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #143 on: June 28, 2013, 06:29:46 AM »
I've been waiting six years for Canon to release a crop body with GPS.  I guess I can wait another year.  I was just hoping to actually have GPS for the photos I'm going to take in September.  At this point, given that they've already shipped the 6D with GPS, I can't imagine even contemplating buying a camera without GPS knowing that there's about a 90% chance that they left it off the 70D because they plan to save that "advanced feature" for the next 7D.


i really like the GPS in the 6D.

but they have to bring out a firmware update.

GPS is draining the battery when the camera is off.
and it´s kind of annoying to always enable and disable GPS manually.

there should be an timer, so when the cameras is in OFF modus the GPS will be disabled after 1 hour or 30 minutes.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #144 on: June 28, 2013, 06:32:32 AM »
The specs of the 70D from my point of view bring into question the possibility that 7Dmk2 to be APS-H

can you go into more detail why?

if the 8D is the top of the line APS-C, replacing the 7D.
an APS-H could be a nice backup camera to the 1D X.

not?


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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #145 on: June 28, 2013, 06:36:35 AM »
Very nice specs
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #146 on: June 28, 2013, 07:04:30 AM »
I'm pretty sure 70D did not inherit 7D's AF, just because 7D has a dedicated processor just for the AF + Dual Digic4 processors. Dedicated processors is what makes 7D's, 5DIII's and 1D's series AF so splendid.
5DIII doesn't have dual digic 5+...
I never said it has? To make it more clear.

For example. 7D has Dual Digic4 processors plus a dedicated CPU for AF only. 5DIII has Digic5+ processor and one dedicated CPU just for AF. So does the 1D series.

Proof
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii.do - expand the AF section

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Achieving this speed and accuracy in the AF algorithm requires a large amount of focus data to be processed quickly. This has been done by the use of distributed processing where both a dedicated AF processor and a camera CPU process data. The dedicated AF processor is four times faster than the one found in the EOS-1D Mark IV.
Camera CPU being Digic5+

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70D doesnt have a dedicated processor for the AF alone, there for its quite safe to assume it will not share 7D's autofocus capabilities.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #147 on: June 28, 2013, 07:28:54 AM »
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #148 on: June 28, 2013, 07:31:38 AM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.
How can you say that? DXO scores the 50f1.8 higher than the 600f4.0 so it MUST be a better lens........ (Huge sarcasm tag inserted here)http://canonrumors.com/forum/Smileys/default/undecided.gif

the lens parameters DXO have are NOT the same as measuring parameters as QE, read out noise, DR etc, this parameters are real and given by max read out e  and noise floor

People here are experts to mix up things  and write rubbish.
IF I say if Canon was Nr 1 in sensor scoring no one here would say that DXO are absolutely worthless.
Keep things apart please

They were kept seperate. DXO Lens ratings are worthless.

The root of the problem is that you can not use a single number to represent a complex system with diverse options and capabilities for a variety of different users with different requirements and have agreement to the validity of that number. Using a single number, DXO rates the 50f1.8 HIGHER than the 600F4.0.... this is a reflection of how they choose to rate lenses, not the utility /quality of the lens for what you wish to do with your requirements and constraints. If I rate the lenses with higher weighting for cost, weight, and general purpose usage, than the 50f1.8 rates higher. If I rate for pure image quality and  with a higher weight on wildlife photography and lower weight on price and size, then the 600f4.0 rates higher.

Bias enters the rating system depending on what was chosen to be rated and how each factor is weighted.... and it is the same for ANY system where attempts are made to create a simplified scale. There is no set answer. We will disagree. You will be right for your requirements and I will be right for my requirements.

Once again, you can not represent a complex system with diverse options and capabilities for a variety of different users with different requirements with a single number and have agreement to the validity of that number.... AND THIS IS WHY DXO LENS RATINGS ARE WORTHLESS!!!
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #149 on: June 28, 2013, 07:39:28 AM »
Does "new sensor" apply to a new sensor tech as well? An overall less noisy sensor which makes a difference in the APS-C bodies as well? Is this the reason for the enhanced ISO range?
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #149 on: June 28, 2013, 07:39:28 AM »