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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2013, 12:29:13 PM »
Sorry, I could have sworn I see prices around 2500-2600 for the 5DIII here on CR every once in a while. Apologies

Either way, you still get it a LOT cheaper

There was a rebate program, and I guess they did it on e-bay as well.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2013, 12:29:13 PM »

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« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2013, 12:38:59 PM »
Semi-random thoughts:

Obviously Canon was B.S.ing when they said they couldn't have both a pop up flash and wi-fi on the 6D.


I don't remember reading that.  I read that the reason was because of the larger pentaprism needed for the full frame.

I could be wrong.  Can you cite where Canon said that Wifi was the reason for no flash on the 6D?
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #197 on: June 28, 2013, 12:45:57 PM »
I predicted this like a year ago.

60D AF ----> Rebel.

7D AF ----> 70D

5D3 AF ----> 7D2

Everything got an upgrade to a better older system.

Well, the last one at least is impossible to my understanding. You can't take a FF AF system and put it in a crop body. Or can you?

I'd say it's not impossible. The 1Ds series and 1D series had the AF coverage surface of 8x15mm. The 1D X has the AF coverage of 8x19mm. It's still smaller than the Canon APS-C sensor size, but not much.

I hope someone could enlighten us on this question.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #198 on: June 28, 2013, 01:33:39 PM »
I could be wrong.  Can you cite where Canon said that Wifi was the reason for no flash on the 6D?

I don't have a source either, but I suspect that gps is more of a reason than wifi because the chip needs to look up for obvious reasons ... for the same reason the 70d seems to have a flash, but lacks gps.
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« Reply #199 on: June 28, 2013, 01:36:55 PM »
I don't have a source either, but I suspect that gps is more of a reason than wifi because the chip needs to look up for obvious reasons ... for the same reason the 70d seems to have a flash, but lacks gps.

I don't see any reason antennae for both GPS and WiFi could not be run outside the magnesium alloy chassis but under the plastic/rubberized covering of that metal chassis.

IMO, this is all feature differentiation (and profiteering) by Canon - i.e. if you want GPS with this model, pay us for a GP-E2; we included it as a feature in that model to appeal to that particular market segment.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #200 on: June 28, 2013, 01:45:12 PM »
IMO, this is all feature differentiation (and profiteering) by Canon - i.e. if you want GPS with this model, pay us for a GP-E2; we included it as a feature in that model to appeal to that particular market segment.

As usual, you might be correct - marketing is about squeezing as much money out of people but only up to the point when they'd feel ripped off or made fools of -  but if there is any seemingly compelling reason for cut specs will be readily accepted by the crowd, as just proven by me :-o

The 70D will hopefully provide a lot of bang for the buck... which will hopefully help fuel a healthy and continuing competition between major DSLR manufacturers for a decently priced 7DmkII eventually.

Don't hold your breath - Even if the 70d has an updated sensor+wifi over the 7d1 it will have a hard time competing against the 24mp/51pt-af Nikon d7100, even more than the "low light king" 6d vs d600... but of course that depends what price tag Canon has in mind.

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« Reply #201 on: June 28, 2013, 01:51:54 PM »
Semi-random thoughts:

Obviously Canon was B.S.ing when they said they couldn't have both a pop up flash and wi-fi on the 6D.


I don't remember reading that.  I read that the reason was because of the larger pentaprism needed for the full frame.

I could be wrong.  Can you cite where Canon said that Wifi was the reason for no flash on the 6D?

I recall discussions to that effect at the time the 6D was released, but then again, it could just be my drug-addled child-of-the-sixties brain misremembering. Not a big deal anyway.

The point actually (and it was a small point in the entire post) was essentially the same as Neuro and Marsu: sometimes the "technical" reasons why a feature is not included turn out to be not so technical and have a lot more to do with market segmentation.

I do find it interesting that between wifi and GPS, they chose wifi. I'm indifferent to both, but I guess they had market research that showed the target audience wants to be able to instantly upload images or video to social media sites.

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« Reply #202 on: June 28, 2013, 02:05:37 PM »
but if there is any seemingly compelling reason for cut specs will be readily accepted by the crowd, as just proven by me

The Canon Marketing department gratefully thanks you for your understanding.   ;)
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« Reply #203 on: June 28, 2013, 02:09:28 PM »
I do find it interesting that between wifi and GPS, they chose wifi. I'm indifferent to both, but I guess they had market research that showed the target audience wants to be able to instantly upload images or video to social media sites.

For me, I'm much more interested in wifi over gps (although both would be fine).  I have zero interest in social media and uploading images wirelessly is not important to me. 

What I am interested in is wireless remote control of the camera.

I'm not likely to pick up a 70D, but I do want to see how they approach the 7D II.  I'd like to see wifi for remote control and built-in rf remote flash control.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #204 on: June 28, 2013, 02:15:09 PM »
Oh yes, a quick PS... Please, people who think the 7DmkII will be an APS-H.....  THAT SENSOR SIZE IS DEAD ALREADY!  :D


I agree... APS-H would need a larger mirror... which means clearance problems with APS-C lenses.... If it can only be used with FF lenses, why not just make it a FF. It was a stop-gap when introduced because chip yields were not high enough on FF sized sensors.... those days are long past.
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« Reply #205 on: June 28, 2013, 02:34:13 PM »
What I find interesting is that the ISO range is the same as the T5i.... there really isn't much of a difference in size of pixels between  18 and 20 Mpixels.... I would have expected that if they had gone to a newer process that the ISO range would have exceeded the T5i, so my bet is the same technology as before for the sensor with further improvements to "live view" like we have seen on the last few lower-end releases.

+1000

I'm still expecting some improvement, though.
A 5DII-->6D type of improvement, where high ISOs (3200 and above) should be progressively cleaner compared to the 60D, for example.
We'll see.

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Canon also said that it was to be the 7D2 that was the "game changer". That's when I would expect to see any signifianly better technology emerge.

Exactly.

It's only natural that new tech is introduced on higher-end bodies first.
Considering that Canon did a full refresh of their FF lineup last year, the 7DII is the best candidate right now for the new tech introduction.

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« Reply #206 on: June 28, 2013, 02:39:59 PM »
I really don't see all the hassle regarding GPS. I think it's useless. GPS is useful in cars and mobile phones if you're lost, but geo-tagging? Couldn't care less and certainly will not be a deal maker or breaker.

It is for me.  I like to know where pictures were taken.  That might be practical if I shot a couple of dozen pictures per day.  When I go on a two week vacation, though, I average 2-3,000 shots—on the order of a couple of hundred shots per day.  Without geotagging, it is completely infeasible to figure out where each shot was taken with much more precision than "Somewhere in [insert city here]."  With geotagging like I have on my iPhone, I just load the pictures into Lightroom, click the Map tab, and I can see where the photo was taken to within a few feet.

I've been waiting six years for Canon to release a crop body with GPS.  I guess I can wait another year.  I was just hoping to actually have GPS for the photos I'm going to take in September.  At this point, given that they've already shipped the 6D with GPS, I can't imagine even contemplating buying a camera without GPS knowing that there's about a 90% chance that they left it off the 70D because they plan to save that "advanced feature" for the next 7D.

So I'll continue waiting.  Again.

While I understand the convenience of a built in GPS, personally I wouldn't let that be a deal breaker compared to all of the other amazing features the camera seems to offer; you have options at least. The GPS accessory, or an external 3rd party GPS that you leave in your bag and sync up later in Lightroom. Yes, it would be great if that extra step wasn't needed, but I doubt you'll see GPS in a 7DmkII - if Canon wants to maintain the ruggedness and weather sealing of the original 7D, I doubt you'll see GPS or wifi given the need for the top plastic plate....

That said, obviously if you feel the camera won't suit your needs, I hope something comes along soon that does :)

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« Reply #207 on: June 28, 2013, 02:46:06 PM »
I expect Canon will not be able to deliver a sensor+electronics matching the current Nikon D7100 sensor in terms of IQ. Not in resolution (20 vs. 24 MP) and probably even less so in DR across all ISO settings starting at base ISO nor in Hi-ISO Noise.

My prediction is that the 70D will lag behind the D7100 in terms of DR.
In terms of ISO/noise, however, the 70D should be able to match (and maybe even exceed) the D7100.

The D7100 got a high overall DxO score because of its high DR.
But if you look at the ISO/noise measurements, it's not all that good.

The 70D doesn't need to be much better than the current 18mp sensor to match the D7100 in ISO/noise.
Of course for DR it's pretty certain that D7100 will be a clear winner.

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« Reply #208 on: June 28, 2013, 02:58:42 PM »

Of course for DR it's pretty certain that D7100 will be a clear winner.

I don't think Canon cares about DR vis-a-vis the Nikons ... that could only be so because the most of the users of the cameras also don't care about DR ... I'm no longer sure if I should care either.  ;)

More DR in canon cameras is certainly welcome, but it isn't all that matters.
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« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2013, 03:07:52 PM »
dual pixel cmos autofocus

http://www.*********.com/canon-eos-70d-dual-pixel-auto-focus-specs-leaked/

machine translated, but it seems that this is a completely new autofocus technology that works on the whole sensor surface. if it works well and software is implemented well (not like @ eos m first), it'd be awesome.

seems like both conventional and live view autofocus will be effective.

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