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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #210 on: June 28, 2013, 03:16:19 PM »
Looks like a nice update.
Question is how the sensor performes in RAW?
Everything else looks nice as a second body to a 5D3.  :)
And I still see room for a 7D2 or 8D, dual digic6, better alu body, fast 10-12fps, even higher ISO, dual card slot,
wifi is great for so many things, I hope same battery as 5D3...
20MP is just fine on APS-C
But price... Oh well, I fear between 6D and 5D3


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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #210 on: June 28, 2013, 03:16:19 PM »

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« Reply #211 on: June 28, 2013, 03:20:03 PM »
dual pixel cmos autofocus

http://www.*********.com/canon-eos-70d-dual-pixel-auto-focus-specs-leaked/

machine translated, but it seems that this is a completely new autofocus technology that works on the whole sensor surface. if it works well and software is implemented well (not like @ eos m first), it'd be awesome.

seems like both conventional and live view autofocus will be effective.

According to that link, the computational power required to use this new type of live view AF means that the Rebel series won't get it for a while. Sounds promising for the mirrorless crowd.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #212 on: June 28, 2013, 03:21:29 PM »
The item I'm still wanting to read is whether the body and controls are 60D/Rebel-ish or 50D/7D-ish

Anyone with real insight? Or do we still just have guesses and wishful thinking to this issue?

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #213 on: June 28, 2013, 03:24:40 PM »
dual pixel cmos autofocus

To me, this seems to be the same tech they started using on the 600d, but now the whole sensor is covered with phase detect pixels and they seem to be able to handle the high processing power demand.

This is great news for the video crowd, but bad news for traditional old-school still shooters like me who only use lv on tripod ... if Canon has the edge in lv/video af, they probably can get away with a straight viewfinder phase af copy from the 7d1 and nowhere near the -2ev/51pt-af of the d7100 :-\

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #214 on: June 28, 2013, 03:57:56 PM »
dual pixel cmos autofocus

To me, this seems to be the same tech they started using on the 600d, but now the whole [...]

I have to recheck my 600D ... I think it was the 650D and the EOS M where it started?!

I am not shure it is just for the video crowd - think about an "adjustment mode" which makes AFMA due to the comparison between the fast phase detect (via special unit) and sensor phase+contrast AF ...u
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #215 on: June 28, 2013, 04:02:40 PM »
It's nice to have the spec list but ... the more interesting part is
  * real world IQ and
  * real world operability

The nicest thing on the spec list is the fact that they use the same battery like other pro(sumer) cameras!

I really like the tension before the release and my reasoning if ... I will replace my trusted 40Ds or not ... got to FF or stay with APS-C ... wait for Canons FF mirrorless or not ... helps me while curing a broken leg and bad weather  :)
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #216 on: June 28, 2013, 04:28:09 PM »

For me, I'm much more interested in wifi ...  I have zero interest in social media and uploading images wirelessly is not important to me. 


For Commercial, Editorial and News Photographers (PJs) WiFi can be a BFD!! WiFi isn't just for uploading photos of your lunch.

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« Reply #217 on: June 28, 2013, 04:43:09 PM »

For me, I'm much more interested in wifi ...  I have zero interest in social media and uploading images wirelessly is not important to me. 


For Commercial, Editorial and News Photographers (PJs) WiFi can be a BFD!! WiFi isn't just for uploading photos of your lunch.

Another interesting application of Wifi is using a tablet or phone as wireless remote WITH VIEWFINDER CAPABILITY. Especially for video this might help to control the camera silently - without clicking noises while setting aperture or exp. time.
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« Reply #218 on: June 28, 2013, 04:50:03 PM »

For me, I'm much more interested in wifi ...  I have zero interest in social media and uploading images wirelessly is not important to me. 


For Commercial, Editorial and News Photographers (PJs) WiFi can be a BFD!! WiFi isn't just for uploading photos of your lunch.

Another interesting application of Wifi is using a tablet or phone as wireless remote WITH VIEWFINDER CAPABILITY. Especially for video this might help to control the camera silently - without clicking noises while setting aperture or exp. time.

yep. i love the 6D for taking remote photos of critters.

and sorry but some people are really restricted in one's thinking.
seeing beyond one's own nose often helps to get the whole picture. ;)

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #219 on: June 28, 2013, 06:18:32 PM »

Another interesting application of Wifi is using a tablet or phone as wireless remote WITH VIEWFINDER CAPABILITY.

Or having the Profoto strobes track power - change aperture or ISO without having to adjust. Nice touch of extra freedom.

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« Reply #220 on: June 28, 2013, 06:53:32 PM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.

as a scientist, i rather trust standardized measurements with hundreds of cameras than individual opinions based on pixel peeping.

but that´s just me. and science. ;-)

I'm a scientist too and that's why their scores bother me.  I'm serious, do you remember when the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS lens came out?  They scored it lower than the v1.  THEN, LATER ON, about 6 months I think, the v2 suddently jumped the v1 in score.  It automagically just became a better lens out of thin air.

Which tells me when they do their lens scores, there's more to it than just the lens, unlike Hasselblad, who does it correctly. 

In science, once you have questionable data and your peers catch it, it raises red flags about all of your data.  This is very troublesome.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #221 on: June 28, 2013, 07:09:12 PM »
dual pixel cmos autofocus
To me, this seems to be the same tech they started using on the 600d, but now the whole [...]
I have to recheck my 600D ... I think it was the 650D and the EOS M where it started?!

I mixed that up, it was the 650d, the Rebels are in so quick succession I'm getting confused :->

I am not sure it is just for the video crowd - think about an "adjustment mode" which makes AFMA due to the comparison between the fast phase detect (via special unit) and sensor phase+contrast AF ...u

Canon might include some auto-afma adjustment mode, but that's the same thing Focal or Magic Lantern does right now, so no big deal - and it has nothing to do with the on-sensor phase detect because that should automatically sync with the on-sensor contrast af anyway.

The whole on-sensor af is really for video people who don't mf, still shooters on tripod or people hold their dsl(r) in non-reflex p&s mode. But I admit that if Canon should include a touch screen it'd be attractive that the camera instantly focuses where you touch, anywhere on the screen.

In science, once you have questionable data and your peers catch it, it raises red flags about all of your data.  This is very troublesome.

In science, when you are caught with your pants down you either discretely fix your study or discredit your peers :-> ... btw my favorite scam site btw is the German traumflieger.de who seem to simply make up their (surprisingly precise :-)) data out of thin air, proof is that they are able to measure the 70-300L @f4 @300mm, my copy cannot do that :-p

http://www.traumflieger.de/objektivtest/open_test/canon_70_300_L_IS/overview.php

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #222 on: June 28, 2013, 08:06:20 PM »
New sensor sounds promising. Hope it's cleaner.

My 5D3 is lonely. :)

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« Reply #222 on: June 28, 2013, 08:06:20 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #223 on: June 28, 2013, 08:07:23 PM »
New sensor sounds promising. Hope it's cleaner.

My 5D3 is lonely. :)
Ha, ha!  Mine is lonely now too!
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #224 on: June 28, 2013, 08:28:52 PM »
I could be wrong.  Can you cite where Canon said that Wifi was the reason for no flash on the 6D?

I don't have a source either, but I suspect that gps is more of a reason than wifi because the chip needs to look up for obvious reasons ... for the same reason the 70d seems to have a flash, but lacks gps.

GPS does not need to "look up".  If it did, then GPS would stop working when you turned the camera to take a photo in portrait orientation, and a metal-backed phone would not be able to support GPS at all, because it would not be able to see the GPS signals coming from any satellites that aren't behind you.  Radio signals just don't work that way unless you're using a directional antenna.


While I understand the convenience of a built in GPS, personally I wouldn't let that be a deal breaker compared to all of the other amazing features the camera seems to offer; you have options at least. The GPS accessory, or an external 3rd party GPS that you leave in your bag and sync up later in Lightroom.

The 3rd party GPS devices are A. one extra device to forget to turn on, B. one extra set of batteries to forget to charge, and C. an extra step at the end.  The Canon version is very clumsy to use if you're using an external flash, though I guess it also supports logging mode, in which case it becomes an extra device to forget to turn on, extra batteries to forget to charge, and an extra step at the end....  Either way, having experienced the way cameras should behave with my iPhone, I'm finding myself more and more disappointed in a company like Canon being seemingly unable to do something so simple as in-body GPS.


Yes, it would be great if that extra step wasn't needed, but I doubt you'll see GPS in a 7DmkII - if Canon wants to maintain the ruggedness and weather sealing of the original 7D, I doubt you'll see GPS or wifi given the need for the top plastic plate....

I can think of no technical reason why Canon could not mount its GPS and Wi-Fi antennas inside the display bezel like Apple does with the Wi-Fi antennas on the MacBook Pro.  It's not like the screen will ever be made of metal.  And if they find that the signal isn't good enough for some reason, there are lots of interesting tricks they could do to get around it, like adding a couple of tiny bands of metal somewhere on the front, separated by rubber seals from the rest of the body.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #224 on: June 28, 2013, 08:28:52 PM »