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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #285 on: June 30, 2013, 04:50:12 PM »
If it was out last September I would have bought one to replace my destroyed 60d in a second.  But I ended up buying a new 60d so I can wait.

I am not really interested in Live-view auto-focus On sensor focusing unless it is as fast as standard phase detection.  I will wait to see the sensor performance.  I really need improved ISO performance. I would like a sharper image personally forget video and remove the AA filter. If the performance is not up to snuff I can wait for the 7d II.

My main concern is that Canon will fail to launch a new sensor process in time and go the way of Kodak.  Lets face it normal everyday point and shoots are being replaced  by cell phones and with out the low end mass market consumer products the DSLR will get much more expensive as R&D is spread out over fewer and fewer products.

So the question is not will new sensor tech arrive the question is will it arrive in time for Canon to stay relevant.  The competition is not standing still, working on organic sensors and such.  So Canon really needs a game changer. 

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
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« Reply #286 on: June 30, 2013, 05:42:51 PM »
My main concern is that Canon will fail to launch a new sensor process in time and go the way of Kodak.  Lets face it normal everyday point and shoots are being replaced  by cell phones and with out the low end mass market consumer products the DSLR will get much more expensive as R&D is spread out over fewer and fewer products.

So the question is not will new sensor tech arrive the question is will it arrive in time for Canon to stay relevant.  The competition is not standing still, working on organic sensors and such.  So Canon really needs a game changer.

As soon as people start buying bare silicon CMOS sensors, Canon will have cause for concern. They sell cameras, not sensors.  Reality trumps DxOMark measurements of sensor performance....and the reality is that Canon makes an excellent system of cameras, lenses, and accessories that are capable of producing excellent images.  They're the market leader for a reason...
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #287 on: June 30, 2013, 06:24:39 PM »

Your statement is just as untrue. Canon designs and builds their own lithography equipment, builds their own lenses, their own steppers, and are just as capable of DOING that if they CHOOSE TO as anyone else. I'd also point out that while Sony has spent tens of billions of dollars in borrowed money, putting their bond status to "junk", Canon has been raking in the hundreds of billions through sales alone. Canon is more than capable of spending a billion or two to create a fab capable of fabricating 180nm, 90nm, or even 65nm parts. It is a matter of whether they choose to or not. The one thing about Canon is they know when to protect their bottom line...and now really is the time. The market is stiffer, the majority of modern sensor development applies to markets Canon cares nothing about (very small form factor sensors for small form factor devices like phones, phablets and tablets) and which do not present significant competition to their primary markets, devastating natural disasters that are unpredictable, and when they hit require reserves of money to recover from, and at the moment the competition is still barely putting a dent in Canon's dominant market share despite their supposedly radically superior "technology".

If and when Canon actually feels the pain of all the innovation going on in the marketplace, I don't doubt they will compete. I also wouldn't be surprised to learn they have a number of their own sensor manufacturing techniques to improve their designs up their sleeve, which they will drop on the competition when it serves them best. Technology is only part of the game, and if Canon's success and market share are telling in any way, not the most important part.

There surely are intresting times ahead of us according to jrista. Hope Canon will choose to present a thoroughly new sensor fabrication approach ASAP.  8)

some people also think Elvis still are alive, what is the odds that one company=Canon have something special in their sleeves regarding sensors ? This is not 2003 when Canon was alone with a cmos, today there are 100 of companies involved in sensor tech and research and there are  some big names out there  as Panasonic, Aptina, Omnivision, Renesas, Toshiba  and Sony etc. The new tech comes from  the mobile camera research and Canon does not participate
I recommend  you all to read  http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.se and se whats going on, and to believe that Canon as one company have something extra going on in todays sensor world is  a very optimistic   view.
unrealistic in my eyes

The vast majority of the sensor research linked through that site is unrelated to stills photography. The majority of the sensor patents and designs there are for the mobile device market, with the next highest portion dedicated to video sensors. There ARE some amazing innovations there (such as organic sensors, which replace photodiodes with organic light sensing mediums in a pseudo-backlit design), however most of those innovations are geared towards improving light gathering potential for incredibly TINY sensors...stuff that is a fraction of a fraction of an inch in size on the long side. Definitely the stuff that will drive high volume sales...most of it for 8" wafers...very little has anything to do with professional photography or large sensor design (it will be a long time before we see pixel sizes down to 2.5µm or smaller in the DSLR world, if we ever do.)

A lot of the readout logic innovations are geared towards 4k video readout...I read something not too long ago on that site that mentioned a Gfps...GigaFPS...a billion frames per second. That kind of research, while yes amazing, is incredibly niche. Video cameras capable of recording a billion frames a second is the kind of thing you find in scientific and military grade equipment...not the kind of thing your average pro or semi-pro photographer carts around.

There ARE some innovations you can find by perusing that site that definitely have applications to stills photography. Not nearly as many as for other markets, but there are some. Is Canon competing in that market? Well, we don't know. That is the only FACT anyone can actually put forward at this point. Canon was top dog, with the best sensors, until four years ago. Then they went quiet. Over those four years, Canon focused on what they do...make superior CAMERAS. The 1D X is a phenomenal CAMERA. It has a great sensor, with some amazing high ISO performance. It's low ISO DR sucks. But hey...its a Phenomenal --> CAMERA <--!! The Nikon D4 is certainly no better, and in many respects...respects that matter to professional photographers, such as ergonomics, button placement, etc....it is worse than the 1D X. It's AF performance is definitely not on par with the 1D X. It too, is a great camera...no reason Nikon users would EVER have to complain about the results the D4 can get. But the 1D X has changed a lot of die hard Nikon user hearts. Hell, one of the people I thought went Nikon for life a while ago, Andy Rouse (world renown wildlife photographer) used a 1D X once and ditched his entire Nikon kit...went on his next major wildlife outing with two 1D X's...for the first time, never been used...he loved it that much.

No, Canon is not competing in the highly innovative mobile CMOS sensor market. No, Canon is not really competing in the highly competitive high end professional cinematography CMOS sensor market (not yet...they made an entry...again, the only FACT we have now at the moment is that Canon put their foot into the midrange cinematography market...only TIME will tell where they actually take it, and what kinds of innovations they produce in the future.

Canon IS competing in the STILLS PHOTOGRAPHY market for LARGER form factor sensors, namely APS-C and FF. The FACT is, Canon is still the reigning king in that market. They have been for a long time, they will be for a long time (as evidenced by the fact that even the mighty D800 couldn't topple the woefully inadequate 5D III with its crappy sensor and terrible DR.) The only facts we have right now, are that Canon has announced the 70D as the first camera in a good long time that does NOT use the tried, true, and way overused 18mp APS-C sensor. The only facts we have right now are that Canon has promised some interesting new things with the 7D sensor. The only facts we have right now...is that we still don't know what those sensors are...how they were manufactured...or what they are capable of.

Your personal opinions about Canon, that they are literally incapable of competing in the sensor market "period", and that they would have to resort to leeching off of other manufacturers in order to actually fabricate something better than they have in the past...are just that: Personal OPINIONS. They aren't facts. It's just more of the Canon hate dribble you regularly love to spew all over this place. Your opinions don't really mean anything. Nothing means anything until someone like Chipworks rips an actual 70D sensor apart and tells everyone whats inside. Until that time, I'll happily continue rumormongering with my fellow Canon users...not because were bleeding heart die-hard fanboys who can't see past the end of our Canon lens. No...just because it's fun to muse about the next potential camera we might buy for OUR existing kits.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #288 on: June 30, 2013, 06:52:12 PM »
Woah, haven't seen a CR3 in a while, this is good news!

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #289 on: June 30, 2013, 07:45:35 PM »
  Reality trumps DxOMark measurements of sensor performance....and the reality is that Canon makes an excellent system of cameras, lenses, and accessories that are capable of producing excellent images.

Even DXOMark trumps DXOMarks sensor score, if I remember the "real life MP equivalent whatever"-score for lenses right. Not that the latter makes any more sense then the former, but...;)

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #290 on: June 30, 2013, 09:12:02 PM »
Yet another thread that has degenerated into a sensor debate....

I shoot with a camera, not a sensor. My camera is a balance of a lot of factors. Today was spent in a kayak and camera choice was dictated by the ability of the camera to fit into a tiny drybag. I brought along a SX-50.... Not the best camera in the world but small and no lens changes... I shot macro shots of dragonflies, wide angle landscapes, and telephoto shots of birds. My DSLR and Lglass spent the day in a bag on the living room floor.... Yes, the DSLR is a better camera and has better glass, but sometimes our requirements call for compromises.

The 70D will be a compromise camera.... Not as good as a 1DX, but better than a rebel. The enthusiastic sales of the 60D indicated that there is a market for it, so it will probably sell quite well. It will sell well because it is a good combination of features for the price and it has the Canon name on it. The vast bulk of buyers will not care about sensors or DXOmark ratings, they just want a good camera that works.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #291 on: June 30, 2013, 09:23:19 PM »
Yet another thread that has degenerated into a sensor debate....

I shoot with a camera, not a sensor. My camera is a balance of a lot of factors. Today was spent in a kayak and camera choice was dictated by the ability of the camera to fit into a tiny drybag. I brought along a SX-50.... Not the best camera in the world but small and no lens changes... I shot macro shots of dragonflies, wide angle landscapes, and telephoto shots of birds. My DSLR and Lglass spent the day in a bag on the living room floor.... Yes, the DSLR is a better camera and has better glass, but sometimes our requirements call for compromises.

The 70D will be a compromise camera.... Not as good as a 1DX, but better than a rebel. The enthusiastic sales of the 60D indicated that there is a market for it, so it will probably sell quite well. It will sell well because it is a good combination of features for the price and it has the Canon name on it. The vast bulk of buyers will not care about sensors or DXOmark ratings, they just want a good camera that works.

I have to agree about using the camera that is suitable for the job I have a waterproof Olympus tough that when I go on my SUP (stand up paddle ) board I can have it on a lanyard around my neck. I get photos of birds sting rays and some lovely reflection shots. No way could I carry a DSLR even with waterproof casing I have to balance hold my paddle frame the shot and click hoping that I stay on my board. Photos are not always exactly what I want but they do hold a memory.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #291 on: June 30, 2013, 09:23:19 PM »

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« Reply #292 on: June 30, 2013, 09:28:50 PM »
B&H photo lists the 7d for $1299 after a $200 instant savings. I know it is premature to speculate about the real-life performance and tests and cost of the 70d, but i am wondering how many might consider the 7d over the 70d if there is not much difference in price. This really belongs on a future thread, but seeing the specs listed by Canon Rumors for the 70d, is anyone willing to make wild guesses? CR1 :D

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #293 on: June 30, 2013, 09:33:03 PM »
but i am wondering how many might consider the 7d over the 70d if there is not much difference in price.

Depends on the 70D's buffer capacity. Those 7fps might just help with reducing frame to frame variance for HDR/bracketing, but be rather useless for more action orientated applications.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #294 on: June 30, 2013, 09:41:20 PM »
Yet another thread that has degenerated into a sensor debate....

I shoot with a camera, not a sensor. My camera is a balance of a lot of factors. Today was spent in a kayak and camera choice was dictated by the ability of the camera to fit into a tiny drybag. I brought along a SX-50.... Not the best camera in the world but small and no lens changes... I shot macro shots of dragonflies, wide angle landscapes, and telephoto shots of birds. My DSLR and Lglass spent the day in a bag on the living room floor.... Yes, the DSLR is a better camera and has better glass, but sometimes our requirements call for compromises.

The 70D will be a compromise camera.... Not as good as a 1DX, but better than a rebel. The enthusiastic sales of the 60D indicated that there is a market for it, so it will probably sell quite well. It will sell well because it is a good combination of features for the price and it has the Canon name on it. The vast bulk of buyers will not care about sensors or DXOmark ratings, they just want a good camera that works.

I have to agree about using the camera that is suitable for the job I have a waterproof Olympus tough that when I go on my SUP (stand up paddle ) board I can have it on a lanyard around my neck. I get photos of birds sting rays and some lovely reflection shots. No way could I carry a DSLR even with waterproof casing I have to balance hold my paddle frame the shot and click hoping that I stay on my board. Photos are not always exactly what I want but they do hold a memory.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #295 on: June 30, 2013, 09:57:03 PM »
Yet another thread that has degenerated into a sensor debate....

I shoot with a camera, not a sensor. My camera is a balance of a lot of factors. Today was spent in a kayak and camera choice was dictated by the ability of the camera to fit into a tiny drybag. I brought along a SX-50.... Not the best camera in the world but small and no lens changes... I shot macro shots of dragonflies, wide angle landscapes, and telephoto shots of birds. My DSLR and Lglass spent the day in a bag on the living room floor.... Yes, the DSLR is a better camera and has better glass, but sometimes our requirements call for compromises.

The 70D will be a compromise camera.... Not as good as a 1DX, but better than a rebel. The enthusiastic sales of the 60D indicated that there is a market for it, so it will probably sell quite well. It will sell well because it is a good combination of features for the price and it has the Canon name on it. The vast bulk of buyers will not care about sensors or DXOmark ratings, they just want a good camera that works.

I have to agree about using the camera that is suitable for the job I have a waterproof Olympus tough that when I go on my SUP (stand up paddle ) board I can have it on a lanyard around my neck. I get photos of birds sting rays and some lovely reflection shots. No way could I carry a DSLR even with waterproof casing I have to balance hold my paddle frame the shot and click hoping that I stay on my board. Photos are not always exactly what I want but they do hold a memory.
I have one of those....it fits into the pocket of the PFD (Personal Flotation Device, not a typo of PDF)... My first shots of it were underwater.... Take a deep breath, roll over in the kayak... Snap a picture, and roll up again.... Try that with a DSLR!
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #296 on: June 30, 2013, 10:04:30 PM »
B&H photo lists the 7d for $1299 after a $200 instant savings. ...i am wondering how many might consider the 7d over the 70d if there is not much difference in price.

I asked this question in reply #85. Love my 7D

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« Reply #297 on: June 30, 2013, 11:01:52 PM »
B&H photo lists the 7d for $1299 after a $200 instant savings. I know it is premature to speculate about the real-life performance and tests and cost of the 70d, but i am wondering how many might consider the 7d over the 70d if there is not much difference in price. This really belongs on a future thread, but seeing the specs listed by Canon Rumors for the 70d, is anyone willing to make wild guesses? CR1 :D

I imagine it will pretty much kill off 7DI sales. But I also expect Canon to announce the 7DII within a few months. Canon knows the 7DI (or classic, if you prefer) is pretty much at the end of its life cycle.

There are people still buying the 5DII instead of the 6D and I imagine there will be a few people out there who continue to buy the 7D because the other features are more important to them than a new sensor. But I expect that to be a small minority. Since the 60D is a better seller than the 7D (although the 7D is no slouch), I imagine Canon wants to maximize consumer sales before the Christmas holidays and the 70D will be a good way to do that.

Also, from a competitive standpoint, Canon needs to compete with the D7100, but Nikon has been very slow in releasing its D300S replacement. The current D300S has always been a very weak competitor to the 7D even when both were new. I'm sure Canon was hoping to see what Nikon released before launching the 7DII, but Nikon has been so slow to announce a replacement, one wonders if they have decided to concede the high-end crop-sensor market to Canon.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #297 on: June 30, 2013, 11:01:52 PM »

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« Reply #298 on: June 30, 2013, 11:09:33 PM »
Yet another thread that has degenerated into a sensor debate....

I shoot with a camera, not a sensor. My camera is a balance of a lot of factors. Today was spent in a kayak and camera choice was dictated by the ability of the camera to fit into a tiny drybag. I brought along a SX-50.... Not the best camera in the world but small and no lens changes... I shot macro shots of dragonflies, wide angle landscapes, and telephoto shots of birds. My DSLR and Lglass spent the day in a bag on the living room floor.... Yes, the DSLR is a better camera and has better glass, but sometimes our requirements call for compromises.

The 70D will be a compromise camera.... Not as good as a 1DX, but better than a rebel. The enthusiastic sales of the 60D indicated that there is a market for it, so it will probably sell quite well. It will sell well because it is a good combination of features for the price and it has the Canon name on it. The vast bulk of buyers will not care about sensors or DXOmark ratings, they just want a good camera that works.

I have to agree about using the camera that is suitable for the job I have a waterproof Olympus tough that when I go on my SUP (stand up paddle ) board I can have it on a lanyard around my neck. I get photos of birds sting rays and some lovely reflection shots. No way could I carry a DSLR even with waterproof casing I have to balance hold my paddle frame the shot and click hoping that I stay on my board. Photos are not always exactly what I want but they do hold a memory.
I have one of those....it fits into the pocket of the PFD (Personal Flotation Device, not a typo of PDF)... My first shots of it were underwater.... Take a deep breath, roll over in the kayak... Snap a picture, and roll up again.... Try that with a DSLR!

I'd like to see that shot! Got it online somewhere?

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #299 on: June 30, 2013, 11:28:44 PM »
Well let's summarize the DPR forum troll-style complaints for this new body:

1. "only" 20MP, the D7100 w/ 24MP beats it! :P
2. "only" 1 card slot, and an SD slot at that, the D7100 has 2!
3. "only" 7FPS, it "won't replace my 7D"
4. only WiFi, no GPS onboard (despite D7100 not having both)
5. still appears to have an AA LPF on the sensor, the D7100 already doesn't have one!
6. no 100% VF coverage, the D7100 has it
7. "only" 19 AF pts. compared to 51 for the D7100, despite having more cross-type (19 vs. 15)
8. no f/8-capable AF center pt., unlike the D7100
9. prolly has no AFMA, dual-axis electronic level (maybe single-axis like the 6D/60D), crippled FW, etc.
10. and of course, for the band of 800% magnification pixel-peeping brothers, still has patterm banding and not as much DR as the Sony sensors, still no column-parallel ADC, yada-yada... :P
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