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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 05:06:55 PM »
I sold my 7D because I got many more hits of birds in flight with the 60D, simply because its tracking abilities were much more accurate, regardless of settings. I should mention that I am more than reasonably experienced with the matter.

Ugh? I'm happy for you, but imho the 60d (I've been using it for 2.5 years) is mediocre at tracking because there's zero customizability in the firmware and the af points are too far apart to track small objects - it comes down to single point tracking all the time for me unless an elephant is running straight towards you :-) ... btw you can use focus patterns with Magic Lantern which helps a little.

Reviews shows that the af precision of the older 7d is a bit behind 60d, but for tracking the 7d blows the 60d out of the water, plus the 7d has more fps. The 60d does produce an ok keeper rate if an object doesn't do anything fancy but moves in a predictable path, but that's about it in my experience.

But even the 7d af system is outdated, for today's standard look at the 5d3 or in a more reasonable price class at the Nikon d7100 (af spread & ability to lock on objects) which makes Canon's current aps-c line look like they are from the stone age :-\

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 05:06:55 PM »

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 05:52:08 AM »
this is the first time i have heard that 7D kicks 60D's testis regarding IQ.
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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 06:09:51 AM »
And in iq also kicks the 60d in the guts to a severe undeniable degree.
this is the first time i have heard that 7D kicks 60D's testis regarding IQ.

It doesn't, that's just wishful thinking or the expectancy that a much more expensive camera must have the better iq. Fact is that it's the other way around: The 7d has more banding due to the dual channel readouts, and which every 18mp generation (60d, Rebels) Canon seems to do some minor tweaks to improve the performance.

Now that Magic Lantern runs with the 7d I'd gladly exchange my 60d for it (for free :-)) even if the 7d lacks the swivel screen, but the iq isn't the reason but the faster af/fps performance plus afma.

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2013, 12:33:21 PM »
And in iq also kicks the 60d in the guts to a severe undeniable degree.
this is the first time i have heard that 7D kicks 60D's testis regarding IQ.

It doesn't, that's just wishful thinking or the expectancy that a much more expensive camera must have the better iq. Fact is that it's the other way around: The 7d has more banding due to the dual channel readouts, and which every 18mp generation (60d, Rebels) Canon seems to do some minor tweaks to improve the performance.

Now that Magic Lantern runs with the 7d I'd gladly exchange my 60d for it (for free :-)) even if the 7d lacks the swivel screen, but the iq isn't the reason but the faster af/fps performance plus afma.
I've owned both the 60d and the 7d.  The 60d tracking capability should be called tracking inability... It doesn't touch the 7d.  That's why I got rid of my 60 so quickly... it never came close.  The 7d takes some time to track the learning curve but it's worth the effort and the results always made it worth it in comparison, with regard to keepers... imho...  :)

And as a side note, that's why I have the 5d3 now... the AF System blows away the AF system on my 7d... especially in tracking...  ;D
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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2013, 12:41:57 PM »
I've owned both the 60d and the 7d.  The 60d tracking capability should be called tracking inability... It doesn't touch the 7d.

Absolutely, I'd even say my/the 60d doesn't do "tracking" at all (nr do any of the 9pt af models) - they simply have "servo af" which does come handy if you want to do some snaps of a moving object and want the camera do do some linear prediction. But you cannot customize anything. the af doesn't lock on an object, it's really a legacy system and completely outdated by today's dlsr standard.

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2013, 12:54:55 PM »
I've owned both the 60d and the 7d.  The 60d tracking capability should be called tracking inability... It doesn't touch the 7d.

Absolutely, I'd even say my/the 60d doesn't do "tracking" at all (nr do any of the 9pt af models) - they simply have "servo af" which does come handy if you want to do some snaps of a moving object and want the camera do do some linear prediction. But you cannot customize anything. the af doesn't lock on an object, it's really a legacy system and completely outdated by today's dlsr standard.
Agreed.  My 60d was gone within 14 days of purchase and one weekend in Key West trying to get some BIF... Never regretted the change and never looked back...

With my 7d, I had a difficult time letting it go, even taking it off of my profile.  I loved it!  I knew it inside and out and despite some it's shortcomings with regard to noise in the shadows in low light scenarios, I absolutely loved it for all my wildlife and sports work.  Loved it...

It seriously took me over 6 months to "let it go" after purchasing the 5d Mk III.  Since then I've not looked back either, there is no comparison, except I'd like a better frame rate for continuous high speed and more especially for silent high speed... I love that mode, just wish for much better frame rate. 

I will consider a 7d Mk II, depending highly on the specs... I'm looking forward to an announcement later this year!
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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2013, 12:57:17 PM »
I had no complaints with my 7D. It had fantastic AF and never wanted for more. Just a FF sensor.

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2013, 12:57:17 PM »

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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2013, 01:07:31 PM »
I had no complaints with my 7D. It had fantastic AF and never wanted for more. Just a FF sensor.
It's a great camera.  I never experienced any of the banding issues some folks complained about either...  ;)
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Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2013, 01:07:31 PM »