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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2013, 02:38:05 AM »
While the specs are great and I'm loving the previews, I hate the press release. Nikon's D7100, a very comparable camera, is described as an "enthusiast camera" for "experienced shooters" so they can "capture their vision." Sounds good. Canon calls this an "aspiring enthusiast" camera. Not even an enthusiast but one who aspires to be one and is called a camera so people can "develop their skills." Really? Makes it sound like a toy for little kids. I know its not a big deal but I think they should've chosen better language.

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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2013, 02:38:05 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2013, 02:39:04 AM »
AFMA not mentioned in CR specs!
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2013, 02:43:10 AM »
I have inferred from the specs on this page that the 70D just has one custom user setting/mode:

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_70d#Specifications

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Creative Zone
(1) Program AE (shiftable)
(2) Shutter-priority AE
(3) Aperture-priority AE
(4) Manual exposure
(5) Bulb
(6) Custom shooting mode

"mode" singular. 

Dang.  Am I the only one here who uses these modes...and who actually wants at least three?  My 40D has three, but it seems like Canon decided some time ago that this is yet another way that they are going to differentiate between their pro and their prosumer DSLRs -- by dropping a setting that costs almost nothing to add, has fit on bodies with program modes for years, has value to many (I am assuming), and can be ignored by others.

Do I have to pay 2 grand or more to get a Canon body that has more than one custom user setting?  Grrrrr.

When I see stuff like this, what comes to mind is something that I read in a 6D review somewhere, which was generally along the lines of Nikon seemed to stuff as many D800 features as possible in the D600, while Canon seems to leave things out just for product differentiation.  Of course, I have way too much Canon glass to start threatening to walk, but I reserve the right to complain.  ;)

Here's hoping that this thing is a low-light monster...because my 40D is long overdue for the pasture.  :)

well, as a D600/D800 owner , I must say they are good but nothing revolutionary or amazing.
on paper they look great but  they have lots of issues , or more precisely design flaws.
I think many people just shooting one brand see the other side of green always greener but it is not.
after all the D800 hyep, it is nothing special, just a lot of pixels on the sensor ,with a lot of high end but old gen techs, that's it.
it has terrible LV , green LCD , misaligned finder, etc.
the D600 is even worse, I have feeling Nikon just focus on how to make the spec sheets appealing to naive public but tends to ignore something that can not be seen in the spec sheets such as build quality and quality of white letters on the buttons of its cameras, or LV implementation.
my D800 is weaker than my D700 was, and the aF of the D4 is a bit less sure than that of the D3s ,etc.
and Nikon tends to ignore real new tech such as sensor based PDAF or 4k video, but always  want to make sound overly good on paper by putting its best AF (albeit the old tech)into even a cheap body like the D7100.
but carefully checking through it , you will find there is nothing new about the D7100 except the 1.3X crop mode.

and despite of what DXO says the D7100 is the noisiest camera at that price range , it is literally useless from ISO800, even my D800E is extremely noisy at ISO640 and on.
Nothing is perfect but I think Nikon should try harder to improve the video part of its cameras and should also try to develop new gen AF for post slapping mirror gen cameras.
if you keep whining about how bad Canon is compared to Nikon,then you should get a Nikon or just add it in addition to your current set , then you know the grass of  Nikon side is not greener.
it is a matter of one's preference not which is better thing.
I think any one can remove the annoying slapping mirror from its pro level D-SLR fast will be the final winner.
And I believe this type of PDAF on the sensor might be the future and eventually help Canon to remove the mirror and go fully EVF.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2013, 02:46:48 AM »
No AFMA?

If that is actually the case the 70D is not a good choice of camera if you want the best from your expensive long primes/zooms.

Please read the specs list again.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2013, 02:58:34 AM »
While the specs are great and I'm loving the previews, I hate the press release. Nikon's D7100, a very comparable camera, is described as an "enthusiast camera" for "experienced shooters" so they can "capture their vision." Sounds good. Canon calls this an "aspiring enthusiast" camera. Not even an enthusiast but one who aspires to be one and is called a camera so people can "develop their skills." Really? Makes it sound like a toy for little kids. I know its not a big deal but I think they should've chosen better language.
I seriously doubt marketing tag lines are going to make people think that it is a "toy for kids" ... besides every photographers is always is aspiring to "develop their skills" regardless of their current skill level.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2013, 03:47:22 AM »
great ,  this sensor based AF is the future because this really helps getting rid of the annoying mirror, the slapping mirror is not really needed for digital sensored cameras.

fast LV AF is very important , if you shoot events with DSLR over crowds, you know it, the fast sensor based phase detection AF combined with swiveling screen is really interesting.

but too bad it does not have 60p, I probably get this one for testing soon any way, though.
I love the small body  of this camera and I actually like the look of it too.
But I hope next 5D gets this sensor based AF tech and swiveling screen +4k raw video, and hopefully usable ISO6400(I do not consider ISO6400 of any current camera usable at all).

any way, it is a great move and I much prefer this over any APS-C camera out there.

It'll be interesting to see how this compares with the AF systems of Canon's mirrorless rivals, if it beats them then that likely changes that market a good deal.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2013, 04:00:39 AM »
I recall reading a while back when the EOS 100D (Rebel SL1) was announced (and being slagged off by some) that there's no such thing as a bad camera, but it depends if it has the features you personally want.

I've been looking to replace my 40D and for me personally the 70D is pretty much all I want. Yes, I'd have liked built in GPS too & a magnesium body (which I don't think it has?) & joystick like the 40D but I can live without them.

An earlier poster mentioned only one CF function - I beleive my 40D has 3 but I'n not sure as I've never used even one. Most CSC cameras that come out don't interest me as I'd never buy a camera (even a compact) without a viewfinder but it clearly doesn't bother many buyers....

So, it's all down to personal preferences - what do YOU consider important features. For me personally, the 70D ticks pretty much all the boxes & I'll be getting one  later in the year once the dust settles &  reviews are in :)
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2013, 04:00:39 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2013, 04:01:51 AM »
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_70D/index.aspx

Things I like:

New 20mp sensor
AF system
ISO range
7 fps
AF microadjustment +/- 20 steps
Integrated speedlite transmitter
1/250 x-sync
Flash exposure compensation +/- 3EV in 1/2 or 1/3 increments (+/- 2 on my 550D)
1/8000 shutter speed
98% viewfinder coverage

Like the look of this camera for the price. I know I won't get FF image quality but the new sensor should be enough of an upgrade for my 550D.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2013, 05:20:56 AM by robbinzo »
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2013, 04:22:33 AM »
I think the most interesting thing about this camera is what we now can expect from the 7DII and the other pro-grade bodies we are waiting for.

It's no point releasing an upgrade to the 7D, unless it has significant performance/feature improvements over the 70D. And if that happens, we should be in for some real treats when we approach the 5DIV, 3D, 1DXI etc.

The only problems I see are patience and funding ...  :P
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2013, 04:42:30 AM »
Just two quick comments from me:

1. The much touted AF improvement seems to have improved Live View performance, I'm not reading this as saying it will improve AF performance through the View Finder. So perhaps more of a videographer's advantage that say an action/bird photographer?

2.  Nowhere in the promoted features does it mention enhanced noise performance. I'm pretty certain that if Canon had managed noise free images at say ISO 800/1600, it would've been a headline feature.

I seen images on a Nikon D4 (I know I'm pitching FF against crop here) with relatively clean images at ISO 12800!!!!

Overall, I'm pretty impressed with the 70D. Seems to be some of the advancement us Canonites were looking for?
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2013, 04:47:17 AM »
1. The much touted AF improvement seems to have improved Live View performance, I'm not reading this as saying it will improve AF performance through the View Finder. So perhaps more of a videographer's advantage that say an action/bird photographer?

Probably not for action, but for everything else and for the general photography crowd of course it's damn convenient to have the touch screen immediately af to where you point, anywhere on the screen. In this regard Canon really has a tech edge and doesn't disappoint.

2.  Nowhere in the promoted features does it mention enhanced noise performance. I'm pretty certain that if Canon had managed noise free images at say ISO 800/1600, it would've been a headline feature.

From the sample shots, I cannot tell anything about the iso performance because of the noise reduction, the 1600 butterfly shot looks heavily nr'ed in the background, and the 3200 shot speaks for itsself. For me, the iso performance is the most important issue if I'd upgrade, because at the end it comes down to if the resulting shots are a lot different from the current 18mp crop sensor - and it doesn't seem so.

Canon's goal probably was only to match the d7100 noise which also isn't too good though they have some more mp. And I'd still expect Nikon's sony sensors to have the edge in dynamic range, we'll see.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2013, 04:56:57 AM »
No mention of a dedicated AF processor, just like 7D/5DIII have. It's what it makes their AF exceptional. 70D "only" has a Digic5+.

I have this feeling the AF will not on pair with the 7D's.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2013, 04:58:41 AM »
Strobists will be happy if the spec list at B&H is correct.

Max sync = 250th of a second.

And another first....

It has a focus assist (AF) beam.

2, until now, Nikon only perks.

DPREVIEW does confirm 1/250 max sync.  Almost on par with D7100.  Now let's see if DR and ISO performance will keep up with D7100.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2013, 05:07:26 AM »
the white elephant in the room is IMAGE QUALITY.

the 70D so far looks great.. BUT.... if image quality is not substancial better then the 7D im not interested to buy a canon APS-C.

i bought FF because i did not see improvements for canon APS-C sensors.
since i have FF i enjoy images without this "frizzy" look that some APS-C images had.




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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2013, 05:09:14 AM »
great ,  this sensor based AF is the future because this really helps getting rid of the annoying mirror, the slapping mirror is not really needed for digital sensored cameras.

well only if EVF are as good as optical ones.
i don´t see that happen soon.


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Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2013, 05:09:14 AM »