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70D or 6D
« on: July 04, 2013, 05:29:49 PM »
Hi all, I've been following the site for a while now and just signed up today.

I'm looking at upgrading from my 600D which I have really enjoyed using and learning from.

Without seeing any real hands on reviews and images from the 70D quite yet, I am keen to hear some thoughts on which camera you guys think would be a good upgrade.

I am not interested in the video side of things, only stills photography.  It is not something I do to make money, but I do get a lot of enjoyment from photography.

I like to shoot landscapes, but also with 2 young kids like to photograph them too.

I'm looking at either the 6D or the 70D when it comes out.  I have a friend who shoots with a Nikon D800e and he always recommends the full frame route.

I'm also wondering if the price of the 6D will drop at all when the 70D is released.

I'm just interested in opinions either way.

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2013, 07:25:05 PM »
The general rule of thumb is that FF is better for large and wide, APS-C for small and narrow..... Unless it's moving quickly and then you want the best af system you can afford.

The second rule of thumb is if you are shooting in poor light, go FF or use a flash.

The third rule of thumb is that the lens will have more impact on iq than the camera.

Since you are shooting landscape, short of cataclysmic events such as volcanoes erupting, kick-ass autofocus is not important.... But what is important is a quality wide angle lens. Because of the crop factor on APS-C cameras, it is a lot harder to make a good wide angle lens, and you will find you get much better results from a FF camera.
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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013, 07:44:44 PM »
The price of the 6D has dropped considerably since it was released. You can now get the 6D + 24-105L + a printer for $1999 after a $400 rebate. See http://www.canonpricewatch.com/bundles/23030

It's not clear how long this price will last, but my guess is not long. So, if you want full frame, this 6D sale is great.

That said, you could also wait to see how the 70D actually performs when it comes out and whether the extras it has is worth it to you to upgrade from your current crop body camera. From what you've told us, it seems like you have little to lose by waiting a bit.

I'll also note that Mr. Haines listed some very good points to consider. Unfortunately, there's no one clear answer as it depends on each person's preferences and priorities. When I was trying to decide what second body to buy, I thought about what my T1i could do and what it couldn't do and what I wanted my new camera to be able to do better than what I had. Perhaps thinking about what you want your new camera to do that you can't do now will give you your answer.

Best wishes and let us know what you decide.


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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2013, 08:19:53 PM »
I don't care what body u use, your photo is only as good as your lens.
Go for the lens, whatever body doesn't matter

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2013, 08:22:37 PM »
You should really think about how much you can afford and will that cost bring you to where you would like to be.

Does your glass work with a full frame?

What's your current camera not doing that a new one will do?

Are you buying cause it will make you happy?

Do you really need a new camera?

Do you think a better camera can capture those moments?

I could go on, but read more and get as much information before you make a decision. That will also make you wait since the 70d is not out yet for real usage review.

Good luck!

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2013, 08:32:17 PM »
If you are comparing the 70D and the 6D, you must be a bit confused about the 6D, since they target very different uses imho. More pricey does not always mean better suited for you.

The 6D is great for image quality and low light, and being FF, with WiFi and GPS in it is more than tempting, even for those more adventurous that go outdoors hiking. But notice that it's not too well designed for outdoors, action, nature and moving subjects:

- It only offers 1 cross type AF sensor in the center. The rest are vertical or horizontal aligned only. Not good when you need precise focusing or autofocus off the center.
- 4fps: not good for nature or sports.
- No flash means you'll always have to carry your 580EX or whatever you use, in your bag. This can be tricky if you go mountaineering and try to avoid too much load.

Don't get me wrong. I sallivate when I hear 6D (or 5DMkIII!), but the question comes to... is it _that_ what you actually need?
« Last Edit: July 04, 2013, 08:36:59 PM by intxaurrek »

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2013, 09:39:11 PM »
Hi,
I like to shoot landscapes, but also with 2 young kids like to photograph them too.

I'm looking at either the 6D or the 70D when it comes out.  I have a friend who shoots with a Nikon D800e and he always recommends the full frame route.

I'm also wondering if the price of the 6D will drop at all when the 70D is released.

I'm just interested in opinions either way.

Cheers
     For your case, I think 6D will be better choice since you mention landscape and people (unless you want to shoot your kids when they are running around).  Canon 6D will have better image quality, better high ISO performance and better low light AF performance than 70D (70D AF should be faster in bright lighting condition).

   Have a nice day.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2013, 10:18:21 PM »
full frame :)

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 10:37:17 PM »
I like to shoot landscapes,
6D is ideal for landscapes.  Better overall image quality (presumably) and it is going to be wider using normal lenses (unless you have a tokina 11-16 or a 10-22 canon).  But generally the 6D is wider.

but also with 2 young kids like to photograph them too.
Young kids grow into young athletes.  For sports, the 70D is going to rock the 6D's auto focus, but if we are talking balerina, then low light is better and the 6D is better, though only the center AF point is really usable.

I'm also wondering if the price of the 6D will drop at all when the 70D is released.

I doubt it.  The 70D and 6D both eat into the ethusiast (semi-pro) market, but I think those people who want a 70D generally aren't the people who want a 6D, with you being the exception.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L-> 85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm -> 85mm f/1.2L mkii

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 10:42:42 PM »
I don't care what body u use, your photo is only as good as your lens.
Go for the lens, whatever body doesn't matter

I agree that lenses make a huge difference, but it is possible that he already has a full complement of L lenses.  And the next logical improvement is a new body.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L-> 85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm -> 85mm f/1.2L mkii

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2013, 10:49:12 PM »
I don't care what body u use, your photo is only as good as your lens.
Go for the lens, whatever body doesn't matter

-1...disagree. Let say you going to shoot a indoor volleyball, football or soccer game.

Here are your options:
1. Canon 300mm f2.8 IS II + 1D X
2. Canon 300mm f2.8 IS II + 7D

You think the photos(IQ) from 7D will be same or near to 1D X?

As others already mentioned, FF is the way to go ;)
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Prime: 40mm -- 85L II -- 135L -- 200L f2 IS -- 400L f2.8 IS II

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2013, 11:40:51 PM »
I don't care what body u use, your photo is only as good as your lens.
Go for the lens, whatever body doesn't matter

I agree that lenses make a huge difference, but it is possible that he already has a full complement of L lenses.  And the next logical improvement is a new body.
Thanks for all the comments.

Re lenses.  I currently have the Sigma 10-22mm.  Sigma 105mm Macro and the Canon EF 70-200F4L

I noticed a big jump in quality from my kit lenses and am looking at adding another lens between 10-22 and 70-200.  I don't want to jump into another APSc lens if I move up to a full frame camera, so will be waiting to see more reviews on the 70D when it comes out.

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2013, 11:41:59 PM »
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I have the same decision to make (though coming from an even older 500D)...

I like portraits, and a bit of landscape, but with young kids, sports carnivals, running around at parties, love animals at the zoo,etc.. it just seems other than the top of the line cameras, I have to make a choice and compromise what I want to shoot.

I invested in the 15-85 EF-S which is a great lens, but to go to a 6D I would have to get a 24-105 which is an additional cost as well and from some comparisons I have seen the IQ between then (on the same camera) is quite similar..

I was hanging out for a 7D2, but the more I read it is a real unknown when it will be available and it will also be a top of the line crop with alot of extras I don't need, for a lot more cost. hence thinking I should choose between the 70D and 6D.



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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2013, 11:41:59 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2013, 12:51:32 AM »

I invested in the 15-85 EF-S which is a great lens, but to go to a 6D I would have to get a 24-105 which is an additional cost as well and from some comparisons I have seen the IQ between then (on the same camera) is quite similar..


If you're considering moving to a 6D, I don't think there's much point comparing  the 15-85 and 24-105 on the same APS-C camera; rather, compare - say - a photo taken in low light/high ISO on the APS-C + 15-85 with a photo taken in similar conditions with 6D + 24-105.  The latter combination at ISO 3200 will likely look superior to the former at ISO 1600 or even 800.  (It might also look better in bright light at ISO 100, for that matter, though the distortion will, of course, be worse in any light.)   Of course, we don't know yet how the 70D's performs in any sort of light, but it's probably a safe assumption that its sensor isn't as good as the 6D's in low light.  So if that matters to you, and if minimizing depth of focus matters, chances are you would notice a bigger improvement if you bought a 6D.  (Plus, up till now, at any rate, Canon's FF sensors seem to perform better than their APS-C sensors if you need to restore detail to overexposed portions of photos via Lightroom etc.; who knows how the 70D will perform there.) 

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2013, 01:23:08 AM »
Gday.

I've a 6D with the 24-105
I've a 50d with a 15-85

I got the 6d cos of GPS/wifi/ff/pixels/ISO over the 50d.
I thought, meh, at crappy AF, I already had crappy AF. I was used to centre+recompose anyway. So 1 good AF point was ok.

Turns out .. it wasn't okay. Turns out the 50d centre point is a double-cross when at f2.8. Thus, my 6d centre point is pretty shitty with my wide aperture primes : ( . The 6D's centre point is single cross f5.6 and vertical f2.8. Boo.

So ... I find myself unable to use fast lenses with the 6D at wide open. AF is just too shitty for those.
If the 70d had been released before the 6D i would have gotten the 70d. Back then I didn't know why I would want GPS. Even now ... GPS I only use while holidaying or travelling.

Depending on the ISO abilities of the 70d, I would get the 70d over the 6d nowadays.
if the 70d gives me clean 6400iso then that's good enough for me.
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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2013, 01:23:08 AM »