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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 07:01:31 PM »
I made the jump to FF a few months ago, and will still keep my 7D, and it's still enough smaller to make a difference.

Then I realized I needed the 16-35... So I bought one. Welp. That was an expensive month! :O I also realized 5D3 raws are pretty darn big so I bought memory cards.

Still, it's so worth it! :)

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 07:01:31 PM »

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2013, 07:03:14 PM »
not knowing WHAT you like to shoot

but
for me...I have a bunch of lenses..
and I regularly RETHINK what I NEED to do things..

I would say the number one lens used to be my 100mm macro (both versions were owned)
BUT the fav lens is the 35mm sigma f1.4 ...I would skip 50's and get this first
it will define low light shooting .... I am very sure

then...one USE of FF is realizing the wide-angle..
SO... immediately after financial recovery...
get either.. a 14mm II (expensive) or a 16-35 II......(almost as expensive)

finally for a little reach ...either a 135L f2 (with a 12mm tube), or the 100mm macro..

or for bigger reach.... a longer zoom like 70-200 f4  I.S. or f2.8 II... both are the tops...
those zooms get pretty useful for sports/action ...and even portraits...
but I would put that option down lower on the list...

wide...fast normal (35mm) ....and long/fast prime... CARRY-ABLE stuff

all the rest are very specialized ... and IMO... less needed..unless YOU are specialized...
then you NEED THEM

MAYBE 14mm II, 35mm Sigma  and a 70-200 f2.8 (1.4x TC too) if you really want all that reach...

I could see starting with a 35 sigma and the 70-300L as mentioned
as the only two at first .....THEN an ultra - wide as $$ Permit...

I enjoyed / owned a lot of the good lenses but I come back to these limited choices...especially when I have to carry them anywhere

I admit to a 24-105 zoom as a staple..... a very good one... but the 'edge' comes from the primes...IMO

by the way
I dont use a tripod and seldom use a flash.. but weddings and such etc would need the flash

just some samples from the fav lenses

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6D is supposed to be sensitive...that would really work the sigma 35 f1.4  nice and hard...

enjoy the camera...dont miss 'wide' experiences...

TOM








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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2013, 08:08:20 PM »
I now have both the 100-400L and the 70-300L.  If I had bought the 70-300L first, I'd have been tempted to consider the 400/5.6L instead of the 100-400L, especially for BIF.  Only downside (other than lack of IS, not needed for BIF) is the long physical length compared to the 100-400.
I agree, I have been reading the reviews already :-)
To the OP, that could be your long term plan as well - if you are interested in birds at all. As a general purpose (travel) zoom, I'd recommend the 70-300L

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2013, 08:46:53 PM »
You will realize that it would be better off staying in cropped format.
That was my initial thoughts when going from Nikon D5100 to 5D3.
Care to elaborate on this?  Perhaps you were turned off by the learning curve going from Nikon to Canon and not so much crop to FF.
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2013, 09:46:24 PM »
Since you are on a tight budget

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM, is cheap and acceptable IQ, lighter and versitile, you can also try 2nd hand one too at about $4-500.  IQ is probably similiar or marginally worse comparing to the 70-200f4L in the 70-200 range.

do not buy 70-200 IS f4 L now, most people end up selling that to buy the F2.8  one instead, is better to save enough money and buy straight off. Also your 24-105 is overlapping half of its range already.

as for the  70-300mm L , sure it is very good but cost twice as much as the non-L also heavier too. may be wait for the next 100-400?

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2013, 09:55:33 PM »
Blaganzbe:  re "Tony - do you feel like you need the IS?"

Yes, I value it - I prefer to take macro shots off a tripod, but fairly often am roaming around prospecting and find subjects like dragonflies, butterflies and flowers when tripod is not handy -  I can ramp up the ISO and shutter and handhold - I get the shot more often with IS than I would w/o, I think.


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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »
get the 70-200...awesome in many ways.
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2013, 11:08:36 PM »
Now that you have a FF sensor, you can often crop a pic in post and still get what you want without losing much quality.  Here's and example of a shot with the 24-105 then I'll follow with a "down and dirty" crop.  No other post done on this yet but right out of the camera JPEG used.  Starting with a RAW and doing some PP work ought to get a reasonable result even without the long lens.

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2013, 11:10:00 PM »
IMO, it is the choice between the 70-200/4 IS and the 70-300 L. Slightly more speed vs. slightly more range. Unlike Neuro, my 70-200 stays vertically in my bag and takes the same space as any other "normal" lens. The 70-300 would not fit in my bag, I guess.

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2013, 11:15:09 PM »
IMO, it is the choice between the 70-200/4 IS and the 70-300 L. Slightly more speed vs. slightly more range. Unlike Neuro, my 70-200 stays vertically in my bag and takes the same space as any other "normal" lens. The 70-300 would not fit in my bag, I guess.
It probably would - it is shorter than the 70-200. See comparison here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Product-Images.aspx?Lens=404&LensComp=738&LensComp2=687

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2013, 11:30:55 PM »
Neuro, my 70-200 stays vertically in my bag and takes the same space as any other "normal" lens. The 70-300 would not fit in my bag, I guess.

Must be a deep bag.  The 70-300L is about 1" shorter than the 70-200/4L IS, and with the hoods reversed, they are about the same diameter.  So the 70-300L will fit vertically in more bags than the 70-200/4 IS, and if the 70-200 fits vertically, the 70-300 will, too.  Unless your bag somehow exists outside of normal space in defiance of the laws of physics...

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2013, 11:32:49 PM »
IMO, it is the choice between the 70-200/4 IS and the 70-300 L. Slightly more speed vs. slightly more range. Unlike Neuro, my 70-200 stays vertically in my bag and takes the same space as any other "normal" lens. The 70-300 would not fit in my bag, I guess.
It probably would - it is shorter than the 70-200. See comparison here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Product-Images.aspx?Lens=404&LensComp=738&LensComp2=687

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2013, 11:42:52 PM »
JPAZ makes a good point about the ability to crop full frame images.  I'd add that it works best if you have a sharp lens. 

I got a 24-105 to use on my 5D3 about a month ago and I'm still getting used to it.  Today I cropped a tiny area out of an image to post online and was truly impressed with the quality.

Discussions like this one are mostly for fun, but I'll toss in my thoughts.  I shoot mostly people.  If my only lens was the 24-105, I'd start getting some prime lenses to use at wide apertures and separate the subject from the background.  Any primes in the range from 50 to about 135 are very useful for this, and in fact that is where I have concentrated my prime purchases.  The 135 L is a great people lens and could be used for sports with a bit of cropping.  Its also not terribly expensive. 
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2013, 11:51:19 PM »
I would probably say save up until you have better idea of what you want, then you can have more choice with a larger budget...  You will quickly realise if you need more width or length... :)

But if you really want to get something, I can understand that, then the 70-300L would be my choice!

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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2013, 12:37:17 AM »
If it were me starting over with a 6D and 24-105, wanted a longer reach, but can't afford the 70-200 2.8 is ii, I'd get the 135 L.  You sacrifice the reach/zoom convenience, but get (arguably) the sharpest lens canon makes under $2000, better low light. If doing casual photography, i think the benefits of fast aperture would be more appealing to me than zoom convenience. Awesome bokeh too..  Plus you can get the 135 for less than 1000 (I forget the exact price)...
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Re: So I made the jump to FF - now what?
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2013, 12:37:17 AM »