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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2013, 12:52:22 PM »
My wild guess.
1. The EFs 10-20 is selling well in US, bringing a higher margin.
EF M 11-22 will be better in performance, lighter, equally or better in build, and much CHEAPER...
I sold my Sigma 10-20 soon after the 11-22 news release..

2. EF M is selling much better in other part of the world compared to US.

I think this is the crux of it.  The 11-22 is the lens that actually interests me for the M line.  I'd like to see a size comparison of this lens with M attached, a rebel or xxD with 10-22 attached, and 5D/6D with 17-40 or 16-35 attached.  Ultrawide is where it is at for mirrorless -- no autofocus challenges, smaller size due to flange-back and mirror and all that fanciness.

They won't keep it out, they are just using this to drive interest in the M in the USA.  Look at how nuts everybody here just went over the $299 sale.  I can't wait to buy one of them used for $200 after the M2 or whatever gets dropped, and the 11-22 will be sitting on B&H shelves by then, I'm sure.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2013, 12:52:22 PM »

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2013, 12:58:49 PM »
I ordered from Visatek, really want this lens.

Hmmm, so I bought the kit for $299, and spent $85 (grey market adaptor) + $150 (bulk pack zoom) + $300 (GPS + battery + card) + $400 (WA ZOOM).

Only $950 spend on excessories for a $300 camera, hey Canon!

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2013, 01:02:43 PM »
I'd like to see a size comparison of this lens with M attached, a rebel or xxD with 10-22 attached, and 5D/6D with 17-40 or 16-35 attached.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2013, 01:04:31 PM »
Notice they say "due to current market conditions". This can mean a lot of things, but to a large company like Canon just having an item out for support and sales means it costs money - a lot of it. The service centers have to be trained and keep parts inventory - just for starters. This costs $$.

My guess is they see NA sales low enough that it's not worth supporting, they mostly just sold them to the Photo sites and rental places. Perhaps this is why they dumped stocks in NA.

Now with the however many new EOS-M's running in the wild in NA it might be a different story - in a year! Big companies run slowly.

The US has a population that is 9x Canada, which is offering the 11-22.  They could only repair/service the lens at 1 site rather than all US sites to save money.  Maybe the Canadians like the M more than Americans and buy more...

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2013, 01:09:07 PM »
Notice they say "due to current market conditions". This can mean a lot of things, but to a large company like Canon just having an item out for support and sales means it costs money - a lot of it. The service centers have to be trained and keep parts inventory - just for starters. This costs $$.

My guess is they see NA sales low enough that it's not worth supporting, they mostly just sold them to the Photo sites and rental places. Perhaps this is why they dumped stocks in NA.

Now with the however many new EOS-M's running in the wild in NA it might be a different story - in a year! Big companies run slowly.

The US has a population that is 9x Canada, which is offering the 11-22.  They could only repair/service the lens at 1 site rather than all US sites to save money.  Maybe the Canadians like the M more than Americans and buy more...

You can't run those kinds of calculations. Corporate finances are more complicated than that. Big companies make stupid decisions sometimes, but they try hard not to lose money.

I was just giving an example, there are a lot of reasons that go into these types of decisions and we have no idea what they are. The thing to do is just shrug your shoulders and buy it from Canada if you want. If your worries about repair then get a external warranty.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2013, 01:21:43 PM »
I do find it heartening for the system's future that some people have been getting the camera with the new 2.02 firmware already installed, that means they have at least been replenishing the supply of cameras somewhat recently.

The fact that I can't even get the Canon wriststrap in the US? Less heartening.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2013, 01:38:23 PM »
I think they would be silly not to give this line another shot in the US with a new model. There were a ton of missteps in the outset that really hampered this product and a lot of people still wont buy even at the $300 price because of the original issues. Come out with a new model, address the biggest complaints, improve AF a little more over what we have now on 2.02 and maybe even drop the MSRP a little as original price leaves little reason to buy except for portability if you're even remotely serious about photography.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM »
Looks like a job for eBay International!!!!

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2013, 01:48:29 PM »
Hmmmm  It seems they are toning down their message:

Dear Jonathan:
Thank you for contacting Canon product support regarding your EOS-M and the sale of the EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens in the U.S. market.
At this present time, Canon USA has not made any announcements regarding the sale of the EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens to the U.S. market.  For now, only a European release has been announced.  Support for the EOS-M System is currently available and there have been no indication that Canon plans to discontinue support in the near future.
Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your EOS-M.  Thank you for choosing Canon.
Sincerely,
Rodney
Technical Support Representative

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to North America?
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2013, 01:50:42 PM »
My wild guess.
1. The EFs 10-20 is selling well in US, bringing a higher margin.
EF M 11-22 will be better in performance, lighter, equally or better in build, and much CHEAPER...
I sold my Sigma 10-20 soon after the 11-22 news release..

2. EF M is selling much better in other part of the world compared to US.

I think this is the crux of it.  The 11-22 is the lens that actually interests me for the M line.  I'd like to see a size comparison of this lens with M attached, a rebel or xxD with 10-22 attached, and 5D/6D with 17-40 or 16-35 attached.  Ultrawide is where it is at for mirrorless -- no autofocus challenges, smaller size due to flange-back and mirror and all that fanciness.

They won't keep it out, they are just using this to drive interest in the M in the USA.  Look at how nuts everybody here just went over the $299 sale.  I can't wait to buy one of them used for $200 after the M2 or whatever gets dropped, and the 11-22 will be sitting on B&H shelves by then, I'm sure.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2013, 03:21:39 PM »
I think that there are three possible explanations (in order of likelihood):

1. The moderator who responded on the Canon USA forum was ill briefed and was wrong. 

2. Canon are planning a big relaunch of the EOS-M system this Autumn (sorry, Fall ;)) and want to announce the 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM as a "new" lens in the USA at that time. 

3. Sales figures of mirrorless cameras are flattening off and Canon is quietly pulling out of the market segment (at least for now). 

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2013, 03:24:06 PM »
If this is the case I may not be opening my EOS-M box until I near the end of my return period. between this and the adapter becoming a non-returnable preorder item, I am beginning to question the future of the mirrorless line. I don't want to own a "limited edition" camera not knowing the stability of future support.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2013, 03:57:35 PM »
If this is the case I may not be opening my EOS-M box until I near the end of my return period. between this and the adapter becoming a non-returnable preorder item, I am beginning to question the future of the mirrorless line. I don't want to own a "limited edition" camera not knowing the stability of future support.

That's odd. How do you buy anything? Canon may discontinue any of their stuff tomorrow, in fact they do it all the time. I got a 5DmII that barely supports the new RT flash system, but is missing a number of features (i.e. groups). What about the GPS hotshoe accessory I got for the EOS-M? Nope. Canon refuses to make easy firmware upgrades in an effort to get me to dump the camera and buy a new one. Annoying. At any rate this hardly counts as indicating the line is dead.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2013, 03:57:35 PM »

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2013, 04:16:19 PM »
If this is the case I may not be opening my EOS-M box until I near the end of my return period. between this and the adapter becoming a non-returnable preorder item, I am beginning to question the future of the mirrorless line. I don't want to own a "limited edition" camera not knowing the stability of future support.

That's odd. How do you buy anything? Canon may discontinue any of their stuff tomorrow, in fact they do it all the time. I got a 5DmII that barely supports the new RT flash system, but is missing a number of features (i.e. groups). What about the GPS hotshoe accessory I got for the EOS-M? Nope. Canon refuses to make easy firmware upgrades in an effort to get me to dump the camera and buy a new one. Annoying. At any rate this hardly counts as indicating the line is dead.

Canon won't discontinue the EF, or EF-S, lens mount anytime soon. The EF-M line has 2 lenses, and they may discontinue the mount if they discontinue the camera line. I feel very comfortable buying EF lenses and cameras because know the line has a long future. The future of the mirrorless seems sketchy at the moment. And Canon refusing to make "easy" firmware upgrades rarely makes your camera obsolete. The hardware becomes obsolete before the firmware, which would mean you have to upgrade your camera if you want the better performance of newer cameras. The camera can only be as strong as it's weakest link, and when that weakest link is the hardware it is time to upgrade. The fact that you question how I buy anything makes me question why you are on CR. Is the future not what CR is about? Why do we want to know these rumors? Do the rumors not alter your current purchase decisions?

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2013, 04:39:54 PM »
Sure seems like a curious turn of events. Hopefully, now that there are a bunch of Ms in the wild, Sigma will release the 30mm f/2.8 DN/A and the 60mm f/2.8 DN/A in the M mount. I could live with that...

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Re: EF-M 11-22 f/4-5.6 IS STM Not Coming to the USA
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2013, 04:39:54 PM »