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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2013, 10:39:57 PM »
Wiseguys, all of you!

74.  In the context of white lenses that don't reach as far as they look, the 70-200s in particular:  I'll bet you can see forever with that thing!   ::)

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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2013, 01:42:43 AM »
75. People that list all their gear after their posts, give a lot of advice for others but NEVER SHOW ANY OF THEIR PICTURES.

I think Ken Rockwell is an idiot but he gave me the single most important advice about photography: Before you take someones advice, look at his pictures!

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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #92 on: July 24, 2013, 02:41:37 AM »
76.  People who start threads that are a) funny b) distracting and completely side-rail my desire to learn how to focus my camerathing.

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« Reply #93 on: July 24, 2013, 04:55:10 AM »
54: people reading page 1 and the last page of the thread ignoring the 60000 posts in between.

55: people still defending crop sensors, "reach" & equivalencey

(does equivalency mean "need a slightly longer lens"?)

No, it means a 50 1.4 on a ff would require a 35(ish) 0.9(ish) to match on APS-C. Sounds great, around middle focal lengths, FF shines. 10mm  APS-C requires about 16mm FF. The price difference is astonishing... But, move to the long end, and the world becomes murder. To see what APS-C sees at 600, on FF it requires a 900mm lens (basically, 500 +2x, 600 + 1.4x and then some...). Then, you need TCs, and getting anything in focus becomes even harder. You get to stop down an extra stop and a half, so that extra stop and a half of IQ dissappears. FF really is a bit of a few trick pony, not an answer all.

so pretty much "need a slightly longer lens"  ;)
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« Reply #94 on: July 24, 2013, 05:58:41 AM »
so pretty much "need a slightly longer lens"  ;)

And how much will that 'slightly longer' telephoto lens cost you?  ??? FF is not the be all and end all. I'm not trying to say crop sensors are better than FF, that would be stupid of me but it gets my back up when people seemingly (with some sense of superiority) look down on crop sensors and their users as being a waste of time. They have their uses- especially for the less well off amateur!
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« Reply #95 on: July 24, 2013, 06:36:08 AM »
...crop sensors.... They have their uses- especially for the less well off amateur!

Bingo - that is the advantage of a crop sensor: cost (not 'reach', which is a fallacy in real-world comparisons).
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« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2013, 07:36:34 AM »
so pretty much "need a slightly longer lens"  ;)

And how much will that 'slightly longer' telephoto lens cost you?  ??? FF is not the be all and end all. I'm not trying to say crop sensors are better than FF, that would be stupid of me but it gets my back up when people seemingly (with some sense of superiority) look down on crop sensors and their users as being a waste of time. They have their uses- especially for the less well off amateur!

Or for folk who are well enough off but just don't want to spend lots of money on gear that vastly out performs their needs.  I love my photography hobby.  I really enjoy my full-time video work.  But there is much much more to life and more interesting things to spend money on.

Thankfully it's work money that will buy me a C100.  Cropped sensor lump of crap that it is  ;)


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« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2013, 07:36:34 AM »

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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #97 on: July 24, 2013, 09:03:49 AM »
so pretty much "need a slightly longer lens"  ;)

And how much will that 'slightly longer' telephoto lens cost you?  ??? FF is not the be all and end all. I'm not trying to say crop sensors are better than FF, that would be stupid of me but it gets my back up when people seemingly (with some sense of superiority) look down on crop sensors and their users as being a waste of time. They have their uses- especially for the less well off amateur!

I think you'll find they have uses for the less well off / financially astute pro too. Hail the 7DII.


There's one hell of a saving in fast glass if you're on aps-c. The difference in perceived lens speed doesn't outweight the cost advantage in most applications.

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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #98 on: July 24, 2013, 09:57:53 AM »
There's one hell of a saving in fast glass if you're on aps-c. The difference in perceived lens speed doesn't outweight the cost advantage in most applications.

And the weight advantage in many scenarios.

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« Reply #99 on: July 24, 2013, 12:22:23 PM »
There's one hell of a saving in fast glass if you're on aps-c. The difference in perceived lens speed doesn't outweight the cost advantage in most applications.
And the weight advantage in many scenarios.

What is 'perceived lens speed'?  If you mean what I think you do, once you factor in the better ISO performance of FF vs. APS-C, the smaller sensor has no advantage there (in fact, it's at 1/3-stop disadvantage, at least).  The only practically relevant 'advantage' there is that an f/2.8 lens on APS-C activates the high-precision AF point, whereas an f/4 lens on FF doesn't (except on a couple of previous 1-series bodies).

There's a 'weight advantage' for UWA, but with normal and tele lenses, the 'weight advantage' comes at a substantial IQ penalty, at least if you want to shoot wide open (and stopping down when you're already at f/5.6 with the ISO noise of APS-C isn't something I did very often).

Sorry, I guess that wasn't very fun.

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« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2013, 12:28:13 PM »
77.  People who take a light-hearted thread and turn it serious

I'll consider myself reprimanded..... There's a naughty step around here somewhere..... be back in 5 minutes...
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« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2013, 12:34:27 PM »
I'll consider myself reprimanded..... There's a naughty step around here somewhere..... be back in 5 minutes...

I'll join you...   ;)
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Re: Just For Fun!
« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2013, 12:39:28 PM »
You haven't convinced me that it doesn't present a seriously cheaper alternative to produce what most people will see as a similar picture.

But to keep in the spirit of the thread, and appropriate to CR I think:

78. People who don't get Neuro's sense of humour humor  ;)

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« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2013, 12:44:52 PM »
I'm back! What did I miss?  :D
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« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2013, 12:46:31 PM »
I'm back! What did I miss?  :D
The fact that I almost posted ;)

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