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Canon 5D3 at airshow
« on: July 16, 2013, 03:24:43 AM »
I am taking my 5D Mark III to an air show in a couple of weeks.

Can anyone recommend the optimal camera settings to use?

Lens on my 5D Mark III will be a 70-200 f2.8LII with either a 1.4X II or 2.0X III TC.

I will be photographing both prop aircraft and jets and the camera will be tripod mounted on a gimbal mount.

I would have thought of using centre sport AF with 4 or 8 point expansion but it was recommended to me to use the full zone AF (All of them) and let the camera track the planes through the entire AF zone - this will make it easy to get and keep an AF lock on an aircraft.

Any advice on metering modes, shutter speeds, etc. is appreciated.

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Canon 5D3 at airshow
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 04:56:58 AM »

My advice would be to get an 18% grey card and manually meter off that. Some people just use the grass or concrete for a reflected reading.


With propped aircraft, you'll want a shutter speed that will freeze the aircraft but show movement in the propellers. 1/250th is a good starting point.


With jets, crank up the shutter speed to at least 1/100th to get them nice and sharp.

There are plenty of sites that give tips on shooting aircraft, though. Have a look around.



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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 07:06:29 AM »
A 5D3 with 70-200 is easily handholdable. I would not use a tripod + gimbal; handholding makes you much more flexible to track the planes in flight (they can fly in front of you, but also behind you)/

I have no experience with the 2xTC, but I hear is will degrade your AF speed quite a bit, so you may want to leave that in the bag.

If you have little or no background (other than air or clouds), I would active all AF points, which makes it easier to track rapid jets.  I would recommend to use Servo AF case 2 as planes follow a predictable path.

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A grey card is a good idea (I used that a lot in the film days), however with digital you can immediately verify what results your exposure settings yield, so center metering + (if needed) some exposure correction (+1/3 or +2/3) will work well.

The 70-200 has good IS (choose mode 2), if you are good in tracking a slow shutter speed (~1/100) can give you nice effects if you have some background in view. Otherwise 1/1000 range will work well. I always used Av mode when I was photographing planes (still have ~10k slides in my attic). Make sure to enable safety shift in your custom settings menu (so the camera will automatically select a narrower apperture if your shutter speed would need to be faster than 1/8000)
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 07:29:17 AM »
Would useing a polarizing filter ( not sure of the trerm rotated / stopped down ) to cut out as much of the bright sky to get the planes closer to the same exposure as the sky provide any value?
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 08:31:56 AM »
Don't bother with the tripod. I've tried tripods, monopods, and both times I ended up handholding because or the restriction. Shoot av mode for best results. Keep your aperture low and your shutter speed high. Also this is one instance I don't fear shooting at the full 6 frames per second if possible. Planes don't give you much wiggle room for composition while in flight. Good luck
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 09:29:32 AM »
Would useing a polarizing filter ( not sure of the trerm rotated / stopped down ) to cut out as much of the bright sky to get the planes closer to the same exposure as the sky provide any value?

I used a CPL last year despite advice from many. After learning the hard way I would recommend going without it. The problem is that you are moving around quite a bit as the planes fly by so you are not able to constantly adjust the CPL. This causes uneven polarization in some instances (really dark sky on one side, light on the other). In other instances it can create the effect of a very very dark sky.

I would second leaving the tripod at home. You will quickly dismount from the tripod after you miss a few shots.

As for the extender. I shot with the 70-200 with a 1.4 on a crop body and I can say that a few times it wasn't wide enough and there were times it wasn't long enough. But given you don't have a crop I can see why you would want the 2x...you might try it, but if af speed is degradated or if IQ is inacceptable then leave it at home.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 10:00:47 AM »
Leave the tripod at home as the others said. An other tip that I use a lot is, put from  the menu of your camera the expo simulation, then put in M mode, set the desire speed for  your needs and then open live view , aim  one air craft a gray or a mid color when they make trail  race   and put the proper f . With this tip  in the worsh case, you will lose a half stop under or over ,so you can fix in post later easily . This work very good  almost  in every  stable light condition and if you have  the time, everywhere .
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 10:13:46 AM »
I have no experience with the 2xTC, but I hear is will degrade your AF speed quite a bit, so you may want to leave that in the bag.

Not so sure about that. 70-200 on a 5D Mark III does not give you much reach, and unless the planes are static they are likely to be some distance away, especially during flight.

The 1.4 is definitely preferable to the 2, but it may be an idea to see if you can rent a longer lens for the day.

I also agree with everyone about leaving the tripod at home. At most air shows you will need to be very flexible!
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 11:08:32 AM »
Air shows are a target rich environment for photographers.  I usually bring my 100-400 and 24-105 zooms which seem to cover just about every situation.  I tried using a 1.4x III but the AF was way to slow, of course that might not be a problem now with the new 5D firmware.  If I were you I'd take your 70-200 and a 2.0x III and then a wide angle zoom (24-70 or 24-105).  Leave the tripod at home unless you really need to get static aircraft shots with prop blur.  As far as camera settings I used 100 iso, AI servo,1/500-1/1000 shutter speed and TV av.  Good luck and have fun!

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 08:45:19 PM »
A couple of years ago, I shot a Super-BMX competition with my 50D + the 400/2.8L Mk I IS "the lug". I very quickly gave up on my monopod and handheld the 400/2.8, since I had to pivot so quickly from side to side.

I'm not Ahh-nold (and never will be), but if it's possible with a bit of technique* to handhold that Mofo of a lump, using the 70-200 should be fine.

*) I found that resting the lens/body down along my body while waiting for heats/shots worked really well.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 09:19:13 PM »
Lighting conditions can change as you are tracking planes.  To help compensate for this, I will set my 5d III manually as to shutter and aperture, then set the ISO to auto.  Seems to work well. 
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 10:43:24 PM »
To give you an idea of focal length. This is a 50% crop using a T2i + 1.4x + 70-200. The exif shows 280mm so with the crop factor that is 448mm. Basically what I am saying is that there are definitely shots you can get with the 1.4x + 70-200 on a 5D3, but prepared to crop.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 10:48:46 PM »
A 5D2 + 70-200 IS II + 2X III + more skill needed on my part = this 100% crop:

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 10:51:46 PM »
5d III, 70-200 2.8II.  Cropped.
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 03:03:46 AM »
I don't really mind having to crop - the key for me is getting sharp shots so it's the AF and shutter speed that concerns me.

Doesn't IS slow down AF as well?  A sports photographer told me to disable IS as shooting without it will give me more sharper shots.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 03:03:46 AM »