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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2013, 09:13:51 PM »
I usually don't like to butt into arguments but here you are the one not trying to think/look outside your shell. Looks like you have never shot super active toddlers. So I don't expect you to understand what we are talking about.   

I never said anything about toddlers. You are changing the topic. You and Neuro objected my remark that the 85L can be useful for things that move. You presented the toddlers example as a counter-example. Now you are trying to involve me in a discussion how to shoot toddlers (sounds a bit creepy) which is irrelevant.

Glad the 85 focused on a big slow bus and a guy playing keyboard, I'm sure the 135 would have nailed focus before the bus made it round the corner and held focus. And the keyboard guy might as well have been posing since the keyboard is stationary haha. Anyhoo 85 slower than 135.
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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2013, 09:31:07 PM »
I usually don't like to butt into arguments but here you are the one not trying to think/look outside your shell. Looks like you have never shot super active toddlers. So I don't expect you to understand what we are talking about.   
Now you are trying to involve me in a discussion how to shoot toddlers (sounds a bit creepy) which is irrelevant.
You need some professional help. Its not funny whichever way you look at it.

Coming back to your point:

Well, it is not a sports lens. I meant - people in general.
If you made this statement,
then, all I and others have been trying to say is that just because it is a portrait lens, it does not make AF speed irrelevant. There could be portraits that could be more demanding than 'sports' in terms of AF speed. AF speed could be necessary for candid portraits of even adults. I think it is very relevant to what you were saying. Now don't turn around and say that its a 'studio portrait lens for old people'.

Whatever, you are fantasizing now. It is amazing how controversial the statement that the 85L might be useful with something moving turned out to be. Now I have a few people explaining to me what I actually said and predicting what I might say next This is a bizarre forum sometimes.

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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2013, 05:30:19 AM »
What do you all think 85 1.2 III L would be coming out
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/06/patents-new-50mm-85mm-135mm-lenses/
 
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85 1.2 Mark II = March 2006 (After 17 years)
85 1.2 Mark III = ?
only 7 years have passed since the Mark II has been released, could it come any time soon in the next 2 years?
 
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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2013, 06:20:34 AM »
What do you all think 85 1.2 III L would be coming out
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/06/patents-new-50mm-85mm-135mm-lenses/
 
85 1.2 Mark I = September 1989
85 1.2 Mark II = March 2006 (After 17 years)
85 1.2 Mark II = ?
only 7 years have passed since the Mark II has been released, could it come any time soon in the next 2 years?

I love this lens. It gives me that vinyl over CD feeling. It looks great, its a substantial chunk of glass and metal, its my favourite focal length for portraits and it produces eyepopping results. But I admit that is in (desperate) need of an upgrade. The AF is a fair deal faster than its predecessor, but still slow compared to the other L-lenses (it barly beats my tilt&shift ...) and you have to be quite determined to use it for indoor sports (but it is not impossible). The electric manual focusing is very irritating and I seem to have a gene missing, because I can never remember to activate with the shutter to be able to focus manually. 4x IS could open up for lots of new areas for this lens.

So if I could make a wish for Christmas, I would want a new 85mm f1.2L IS III. Second on my list would be a 50mm f1.2L IS II and third 35 f1.4L II (With or without IS does not matter much to me with this one).
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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2013, 09:37:40 AM »
I would love to see the 85/1.2 become an 85/1.4, or an 85/1.4L added to the product line.  The Nikon and Sigma 85/1.4's are lighter and easier to carry.  Canon successfully transitioned the 200/1.8 to a 200/2IS.  They could do something similar with the 85, delivering better quality, size, weight and AF speed in exchange for a loss of 1/3 stop.

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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2013, 09:46:57 AM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!


I've never used the 85L so I can't really speak to that. First question to me is always which focal length do you want? One indicator could be to check your existing photos shot with the 70-200 and see what you prefer and for what.

And frankly, either lens will be very close to what you already do with the 70-200. So the only real reason for either would be to shoot wide open. My 135 renders excellent results with that and I use it all the time for portraits, events and my kids. It's crazy sharp if that's what you're after. The bokeh is lovely. And I'm sure both can be said about the 85L.

Besides many of the pros and cons that either lens naturally will have (and those are clearly very Firs World "problems") I would look at cost. My guess is that for the cost of the 85L you could pick up the 135L and the 85 1.8 or maybe any of the third party 85 lenses some of which are really nice in their own right I suppose. If you then find you prefer one focal length over the other you can always swap.
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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2013, 11:55:54 AM »
A big choice... the "Lord of the red rings" 135L, or the sexy beast - 85L. I own both and when I first got my 85l my first thought was "why isn't THIS called the 'lord of the red rings'?" But now after becoming more familiar with both, I see the title rightly does belong to the 135l.
The two are very different lenses and do give very different feels. I enjoy the 135's bokeh in a more artistic sense. It gives an insane dream-like quality to images and renders your focal point as almost jumping off the page as if 3D. The 85 is more of a crowd pleaser and gives all-around high quality photos. Only issue is mastering the 1.2 shallow DOF.
Both are quit possibly the best L lenses you can buy IMO.
As you are a wedding shooter like I am, I would have both in my arsenal. But if you have to choose one I'd get the 85L. It's the best for both portraits and will also give you great results in the field.
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2013, 12:57:38 PM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!

Dear Sir, Mr. beckstoy.
For the Best Wedding/ portrait  Lenses, Both of Them 85 1.2 II and 135  L 2.0 are great ---and Best of the Best Too. But So many Lenses that need to consider for perfected Photos, where the  space between the model and the photographer are limited, and the Photographers do not have the choice ---Yes that why the Difference Lenses  are force to use for the best of that situation.
Here are my Wedding / Portrait Lenses that I use as " One man army" past 5 years, and Its works for me.
Good luck for your selection of the great Lenses.
Surapon

A= Canon TS-E 24 MM. F 3.5 L MK II for my group Portrait up to 200 People. Yes, I use Horizontal Shift function.
B = EF 24-70 F/ 2.8 L for General Photos, at the Party
C= EF 135 MM F/ 2.0 L, For great Portrait in the long range.
D=EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM. Shoot far away on the Balcony of the Church, When we can not go to shoot at Altar----Ha, Ha, Ha---Not try to let the FATHER/ Preacher  get angry.
E= EF 100 mm F./ 2.8 L IS Macro USM. for the Great Portrait Photos with Some Great Bokeh. Plus the Detail of the Rings, Flowers and The Bride's Beautiful Shoes.
F = Sigma 50 MM F/ 1.4, For Tight Space and Very Blur Background.
G= EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II for total Blur of busy back ground, and let the Bride& Groom as the Movie Stars. Plus this Lens is to separate Us/ The Real  Pay Photographers and Uncle Bob or aunt Jane who use 41 MP. Nokia Lumia Cell Phone Camera, which  can get the  better  Pictures than Me----Ha, Ha, Ha

NO, NO, NO, I never use any lens that wider than 24 MM. Yes, I have learn from the Hard way, I use 11-17 and  17-40 mm at F = 11 and F = 17 for Group Photos, And  I lost my best beautiful Client, who stand at the far Left and Far right of the Group Photos= Yes The Super Wide Angle lens  is create the subjects at the far edge of photo so distortion = Her Face form as the Beauty and The Beast = The Beast ( Not the Beauty)----Ha, Ha, Ha
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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2013, 02:16:38 PM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!

Dear Sir, Mr. beckstoy.
For the Best Wedding/ portrait  Lenses, Both of Them 85 1.2 II and 135  L 2.0 are great ---and Best of the Best Too. But So many Lenses that need to consider for perfected Photos, where the  space between the model and the photographer are limited, and the Photographers do not have the choice ---Yes that why the Difference Lenses  are force to use for the best of that situation.
Here are my Wedding / Portrait Lenses that I use as " One man army" past 5 years, and Its works for me.
Good luck for your selection of the great Lenses.
Surapon

A= Canon TS-E 24 MM. F 3.5 L MK II for my group Portrait up to 200 People. Yes, I use Horizontal Shift function.
B = EF 24-70 F/ 2.8 L for General Photos, at the Party
C= EF 135 MM F/ 2.0 L, For great Portrait in the long range.
D=EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM. Shoot far away on the Balcony of the Church, When we can not go to shoot at Altar----Ha, Ha, Ha---Not try to let the FATHER/ Preacher  get angry.
E= EF 100 mm F./ 2.8 L IS Macro USM. for the Great Portrait Photos with Some Great Bokeh. Plus the Detail of the Rings, Flowers and The Bride's Beautiful Shoes.
F = Sigma 50 MM F/ 1.4, For Tight Space and Very Blur Background.
G= EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II for total Blur of busy back ground, and let the Bride& Groom as the Movie Stars. Plus this Lens is to separate Us/ The Real  Pay Photographers and Uncle Bob or aunt Jane who use 41 MP. Nokia Lumia Cell Phone Camera, which  can get the  better  Pictures than Me----Ha, Ha, Ha

NO, NO, NO, I never use any lens that wider than 24 MM. Yes, I have learn from the Hard way, I use 11-17 and  17-40 mm at F = 11 and F = 17 for Group Photos, And  I lost my best beautiful Client, who stand at the far Left and Far right of the Group Photos= Yes The Super Wide Angle lens  is create the subjects at the far edge of photo so distortion = Her Face form as the Beauty and The Beast = The Beast ( Not the Beauty)----Ha, Ha, Ha


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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2013, 02:52:04 PM »
surapon love it :-) but i am 32 and carrying 2 body's 1dx and 5d3 with 70-200 and 24-70 2.8 at a wedding all day i  have sore legs and back you must be one fit man loaded up like that lol

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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2013, 03:28:07 PM »
surapon love it :-) but i am 32 and carrying 2 body's 1dx and 5d3 with 70-200 and 24-70 2.8 at a wedding all day i  have sore legs and back you must be one fit man loaded up like that lol

Hell yeah.  That one goes out to those who complain about the weight of a 70-200 2.8 IS II.  You're freakin' awesome surapon!
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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2013, 03:44:02 PM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!

Dear Sir, Mr. beckstoy.
For the Best Wedding/ portrait  Lenses, Both of Them 85 1.2 II and 135  L 2.0 are great ---and Best of the Best Too. But So many Lenses that need to consider for perfected Photos, where the  space between the model and the photographer are limited, and the Photographers do not have the choice ---Yes that why the Difference Lenses  are force to use for the best of that situation.
Here are my Wedding / Portrait Lenses that I use as " One man army" past 5 years, and Its works for me.
Good luck for your selection of the great Lenses.
Surapon

A= Canon TS-E 24 MM. F 3.5 L MK II for my group Portrait up to 200 People. Yes, I use Horizontal Shift function.
B = EF 24-70 F/ 2.8 L for General Photos, at the Party
C= EF 135 MM F/ 2.0 L, For great Portrait in the long range.
D=EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM. Shoot far away on the Balcony of the Church, When we can not go to shoot at Altar----Ha, Ha, Ha---Not try to let the FATHER/ Preacher  get angry.
E= EF 100 mm F./ 2.8 L IS Macro USM. for the Great Portrait Photos with Some Great Bokeh. Plus the Detail of the Rings, Flowers and The Bride's Beautiful Shoes.
F = Sigma 50 MM F/ 1.4, For Tight Space and Very Blur Background.
G= EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II for total Blur of busy back ground, and let the Bride& Groom as the Movie Stars. Plus this Lens is to separate Us/ The Real  Pay Photographers and Uncle Bob or aunt Jane who use 41 MP. Nokia Lumia Cell Phone Camera, which  can get the  better  Pictures than Me----Ha, Ha, Ha

NO, NO, NO, I never use any lens that wider than 24 MM. Yes, I have learn from the Hard way, I use 11-17 and  17-40 mm at F = 11 and F = 17 for Group Photos, And  I lost my best beautiful Client, who stand at the far Left and Far right of the Group Photos= Yes The Super Wide Angle lens  is create the subjects at the far edge of photo so distortion = Her Face form as the Beauty and The Beast = The Beast ( Not the Beauty)----Ha, Ha, Ha

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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2013, 06:11:12 PM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!

Dear Sir, Mr. beckstoy.
For the Best Wedding/ portrait  Lenses, Both of Them 85 1.2 II and 135  L 2.0 are great ---and Best of the Best Too. But So many Lenses that need to consider for perfected Photos, where the  space between the model and the photographer are limited, and the Photographers do not have the choice ---Yes that why the Difference Lenses  are force to use for the best of that situation.
Here are my Wedding / Portrait Lenses that I use as " One man army" past 5 years, and Its works for me.
Good luck for your selection of the great Lenses.
Surapon

A= Canon TS-E 24 MM. F 3.5 L MK II for my group Portrait up to 200 People. Yes, I use Horizontal Shift function.
B = EF 24-70 F/ 2.8 L for General Photos, at the Party
C= EF 135 MM F/ 2.0 L, For great Portrait in the long range.
D=EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM. Shoot far away on the Balcony of the Church, When we can not go to shoot at Altar----Ha, Ha, Ha---Not try to let the FATHER/ Preacher  get angry.
E= EF 100 mm F./ 2.8 L IS Macro USM. for the Great Portrait Photos with Some Great Bokeh. Plus the Detail of the Rings, Flowers and The Bride's Beautiful Shoes.
F = Sigma 50 MM F/ 1.4, For Tight Space and Very Blur Background.
G= EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II for total Blur of busy back ground, and let the Bride& Groom as the Movie Stars. Plus this Lens is to separate Us/ The Real  Pay Photographers and Uncle Bob or aunt Jane who use 41 MP. Nokia Lumia Cell Phone Camera, which  can get the  better  Pictures than Me----Ha, Ha, Ha

NO, NO, NO, I never use any lens that wider than 24 MM. Yes, I have learn from the Hard way, I use 11-17 and  17-40 mm at F = 11 and F = 17 for Group Photos, And  I lost my best beautiful Client, who stand at the far Left and Far right of the Group Photos= Yes The Super Wide Angle lens  is create the subjects at the far edge of photo so distortion = Her Face form as the Beauty and The Beast = The Beast ( Not the Beauty)----Ha, Ha, Ha

What camera bodies are you using? Specifically the 1d series.
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Re: 85L or 135L?
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2013, 07:49:54 PM »
Get both :D
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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2013, 09:22:38 PM »
Alright everyone, I shoot portraits and weddings and here are my current lenses which I use on my 5DM3:

24-105 (great kit lens, but I might sell it)
24-70 f2.8 MK2
50 f1.4
(Sigma) 12-24 - some people don't like this, but I think I got a good copy
70-200 f2.8 MK2

I'm trying to find a reason to buy either the 85mm or 135mm.  Which should I buy?  I know I have that length covered, but they're such celebrated primes that I'd just learn to zoom with my feet more and I know my results would be good.

So, here's my question.  Both are very well-loved in the photog world, especially with portrait shooters.  Which should I get?  Or, should I be considering another prime altogether?

Thanks in advance!

Dear Sir, Mr. beckstoy.
For the Best Wedding/ portrait  Lenses, Both of Them 85 1.2 II and 135  L 2.0 are great ---and Best of the Best Too. But So many Lenses that need to consider for perfected Photos, where the  space between the model and the photographer are limited, and the Photographers do not have the choice ---Yes that why the Difference Lenses  are force to use for the best of that situation.
Here are my Wedding / Portrait Lenses that I use as " One man army" past 5 years, and Its works for me.
Good luck for your selection of the great Lenses.
Surapon

A= Canon TS-E 24 MM. F 3.5 L MK II for my group Portrait up to 200 People. Yes, I use Horizontal Shift function.
B = EF 24-70 F/ 2.8 L for General Photos, at the Party
C= EF 135 MM F/ 2.0 L, For great Portrait in the long range.
D=EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM. Shoot far away on the Balcony of the Church, When we can not go to shoot at Altar----Ha, Ha, Ha---Not try to let the FATHER/ Preacher  get angry.
E= EF 100 mm F./ 2.8 L IS Macro USM. for the Great Portrait Photos with Some Great Bokeh. Plus the Detail of the Rings, Flowers and The Bride's Beautiful Shoes.
F = Sigma 50 MM F/ 1.4, For Tight Space and Very Blur Background.
G= EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II for total Blur of busy back ground, and let the Bride& Groom as the Movie Stars. Plus this Lens is to separate Us/ The Real  Pay Photographers and Uncle Bob or aunt Jane who use 41 MP. Nokia Lumia Cell Phone Camera, which  can get the  better  Pictures than Me----Ha, Ha, Ha

NO, NO, NO, I never use any lens that wider than 24 MM. Yes, I have learn from the Hard way, I use 11-17 and  17-40 mm at F = 11 and F = 17 for Group Photos, And  I lost my best beautiful Client, who stand at the far Left and Far right of the Group Photos= Yes The Super Wide Angle lens  is create the subjects at the far edge of photo so distortion = Her Face form as the Beauty and The Beast = The Beast ( Not the Beauty)----Ha, Ha, Ha

What camera bodies are you using? Specifically the 1d series.

Dear Sir, Mr. kennephoto, and All of my friends.
Sorry, I am so busy to day , and will be back to answer all your post tomorrow = 12-15 Hrs. from Now.
Now I just answer Mr. kennephoto question ;
!) I use my oldest Body  Canon 1DS MK I   for Canon EF 85 MM. F/ 1.2 L MK II
2) I use Canon 5D MK II with Canon EF 24-70 MM L  USM.
3) I use  Canon 7D with EF 70-200 mm F/ 2.8 L IS USM.

No, I not update my EOS Camera Body yet, Until Canon get up to 36 MP. Minimum ( 3D or 1DS MK IV).
Have a great night, Sir.
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Re: 85L or 135L?
« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2013, 09:22:38 PM »