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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2013, 01:01:23 PM »

With that said about my own feelings of photographic inadequacy I then come across this: http://www.yourclassicmoments.co.uk/

That makes me feel that I'm actually pretty ok: www.lewismaxwell.co.uk


I took your experience and decided to visit the classic moments site as well... and I agree with you that it makes me feel better.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2013, 01:01:23 PM »

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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2013, 01:48:51 PM »

With that said about my own feelings of photographic inadequacy I then come across this: http://www.yourclassicmoments.co.uk/


This is... fcuk I can't even find any words, this is practically ONLY point and shoot without any feel for the moment, how people should look on pictures or technical settings of the camera which honestly doesn't even look like its more than a 1000D with kit lens. And that horror for prices like these. No wonder there is no more reference, this is just shameful. Just sayin'.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2013, 05:45:23 PM »
Many industries have well known certifications that businesses and/or individuals can obtain that represent a well know standard of skill, knowledge, and capability.  For example, in the networking industry Cisco certifications represent a level of accomplishment and competence in certain areas of network administration, security, etc.  Employers value these certifications.

I am not aware of something similar in the professional photography industry.  If there is, it isn't widely marketed to the point the general public is aware.

For example, if WPPI was able to market a certification program so that those looking for a wedding photographer felt it necessary to find one with this certification to feel comfortable they were getting a true professional, then a lot of the unqualified photographers would be more easily identifed.

You don't need a certification, you show your photos, your portfolio.  I'm sure Ansel Adams had to whip out a few images back in the day.  Heck... Leonardo Da Vinci probably had to "show" his stuff before getting the sisteen... or however it is spelled.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2013, 05:48:21 PM »
Many industries have well known certifications that businesses and/or individuals can obtain that represent a well know standard of skill, knowledge, and capability.  For example, in the networking industry Cisco certifications represent a level of accomplishment and competence in certain areas of network administration, security, etc.  Employers value these certifications.

I am not aware of something similar in the professional photography industry.  If there is, it isn't widely marketed to the point the general public is aware.

For example, if WPPI was able to market a certification program so that those looking for a wedding photographer felt it necessary to find one with this certification to feel comfortable they were getting a true professional, then a lot of the unqualified photographers would be more easily identifed.

In the tech field, the certification is pretty easy...there is generally ONE right way to do things.

I'm not sure how this would work for Photography or other "Artistic" things, where much of the value and appreciation of the final product is subjective.

While there are lots of wrong answers for photography, as we've seen on this thread and all around us, there is seldom one right answer for something, and it is quite difficult to test  and certify or license something that doesn't really have one right answer....

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I was watching a program about the national geographic photographers and how they just knew when they had to take a shot... and some of the photos are some of the most memorable in recent history.  Also... those certifications are just a way for some companies to make money.  They are rarely non-profit.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2013, 05:51:42 PM »

With that said about my own feelings of photographic inadequacy I then come across this: http://www.yourclassicmoments.co.uk/


This is... fcuk I can't even find any words, this is practically ONLY point and shoot without any feel for the moment, how people should look on pictures or technical settings of the camera which honestly doesn't even look like its more than a 1000D with kit lens. And that horror for prices like these. No wonder there is no more reference, this is just shameful. Just sayin'.


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I think the site is in Britain... but still... there are some tacky people out there who just don't know "what good is" and consequently keep these people in business. 

At least the images are different... god awful, but different.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2013, 10:26:29 PM »
Many industries have well known certifications that businesses and/or individuals can obtain that represent a well know standard of skill, knowledge, and capability.  For example, in the networking industry Cisco certifications represent a level of accomplishment and competence in certain areas of network administration, security, etc.  Employers value these certifications.

I am not aware of something similar in the professional photography industry.  If there is, it isn't widely marketed to the point the general public is aware.

For example, if WPPI was able to market a certification program so that those looking for a wedding photographer felt it necessary to find one with this certification to feel comfortable they were getting a true professional, then a lot of the unqualified photographers would be more easily identifed.

You don't need a certification, you show your photos, your portfolio.  I'm sure Ansel Adams had to whip out a few images back in the day.  Heck... Leonardo Da Vinci probably had to "show" his stuff before getting the sisteen... or however it is spelled.

Sixtine Chapel was Michaelangelo no da Vinci. Just sayin'

You point is fully valid. If I buy a car I do a test drive. It's not the car I'm gonna get but I test the general quality level.
Consummers should always look at references before buying. If they agreed after seeing such a book then it's pure market theory in action. If the book is falsified (work from others) then that's pure fraud and this is actionnable. If they don't ask to look at a portfolio then they can blame themsleves.

Sounds harsh but nannying consumers has to stop somewhere.

PS: for those who speak about certification, there's something like that over here in China. As there can't be purely objective criterions for photography as an art, this is just pure nepotism and/or bribery.

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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2013, 11:37:05 PM »
Sixtine Chapel was Michaelangelo no da Vinci. Just sayin'

Yeah... Mike had a better portfolio... :D
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2013, 08:29:24 AM »

With that said about my own feelings of photographic inadequacy I then come across this: http://www.yourclassicmoments.co.uk/


This is... fcuk I can't even find any words, this is practically ONLY point and shoot without any feel for the moment, how people should look on pictures or technical settings of the camera which honestly doesn't even look like its more than a 1000D with kit lens. And that horror for prices like these. No wonder there is no more reference, this is just shameful. Just sayin'.



At least the images are different... god awful, but different.


There's a whole lot more on the facebook page, I wonder where he or she got "learned" how to do colorkeys, they make no sense at all, i mean the people black and white and the surroundings in color? It's a shame for the whole professional level of photography.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2013, 09:31:12 AM »
Sixtine Chapel was Michaelangelo no da Vinci. Just sayin'

Yeah... Mike had a better portfolio... :D

Funny thing.... Mike's "portfolio" was in sculpture, not painting. He was essentially a sculptor, not a painter. He mightily resisted doing the Sistine work -- was finally forced to do it for political expediency. And like all of us, he learned a lot!
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2013, 09:55:46 AM »
Any photographer fretting about the ocean of bad stuff on the web and locally has too much time on his/her hands.

Do the best restaurants in town pull their hair out because convenience stores sell stale pre-packaged sandwiches?

Photography in the USA is now the #1 home based business.  Welcome to the new normal.

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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2013, 11:05:13 AM »
With that said about my own feelings of photographic inadequacy I then come across this: http://www.yourclassicmoments.co.uk/


Wow.  Those are not photos I would expect from a professional photographer.  Maybe I've been looking at the outstanding work of people on this forum for too long and I'm being too unrealistic about the ability of photographers out there.  If I'm hiring a photographer, I expect to get work better than what an amateur like me could do.
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2013, 11:17:16 AM »
All of the substandard work out there should make those who clearly win on expertise, vision and ability thrilled to know that winning new business should be fish in a barrel.

The problem is you're then tasked with convincing people with no recognition of expertise, vision or ability that it's worth the added cost.

The reality is, as others have alluded to, that there is a market for this stuff. Sad to say, but many people shop on price alone, and in the end, they might actually be happy with the results. They simply don't know the difference, and they probably don't care.

I'd recommend finding a better market!
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Re: Bad Photography Rant
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2013, 11:35:59 AM »
There are many fly by night photographers and even if they went to "school", it doesn't guarantee that they are any good. I'm self taught, started shooting film 20 yrs ago as a teenager and it took a lot of trial and error. i don't profess to be the best however I've learned that creativity, thinking outside the box and the knowledge of your equipment trump all. My ex girlfriend's cousin got TERRIBLE photo's of her wedding, they were using old Rebels with garbage lenses and shooting in preset mode. My business partner's BFF is precisely one these, to the point where we don't allow her to use our studio anymore because we don't want her bad photography associated with us. As far as pricing goes, i have a "friends and family" rate that I use with complicit understanding that they are not to disclose it. It's been successful and has brought us a lot of business at full rate. This economy has turned a lot of hobbyists into "professionals" and it has had negative effects.  :-\
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« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2013, 06:46:23 PM »
Photography in the USA is now the #1 home based business.  Welcome to the new normal.

Is this something you're saying to make a point or is it a fact?

If this is factual, I'd love to know the source for the data.

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« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2013, 06:48:40 PM »
Photography in the USA is now the #1 home based business.  Welcome to the new normal.

Is this something you're saying to make a point or is it a fact?

If this is factual, I'd love to know the source for the data.

Thanks.

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