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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »
This doesn't surprise me at all, as the world economy continues to turn around and disposable income goes up Canon needs sales to fund R&D for the next generation.  The 1Ds has never sold in great numbers and releasing a new $6 - $8K body that will NOT sell in great numbers probably doesn't make financial sense right now.  Releasing a high performance, FF body would provide entry into a market where Canon isn't currently competing.  The 1DIV comes at too high of a price point and competes with more expensive Nikon bodies so there is room here for another body to gain some market share.

I think we just might see the mythical 3D finally released to fill this niche with the 5DIII taking on the high MP "studio" duties until the next 1Ds is ready.  I believe Canon wants the 1DsIV to crash the MF party where people are willing to pay a lot more for the ultimate in IQ.  The 3D has been talked about for years, but it makes sense to release it now as it would complete Canon's advanced amateur, semi-pro lineup very nicely.  7D high performance crop, 5D ultimate FF IQ for studio work, 3D fast & FF 16-18MP for the "all of the above" shooters like myself.  Canon would literally have something for everyone who wants to step up from the Rebels and upgrade their aging XXD cameras, many of these people myself included are considering the dark side because it seems that Canon wants us to buy 2 cameras to shoot everything we like.  I still don't know what purpose the 60D serves, it seems to exist only to fill the price gap between the T2i and 7D.

The 1 series remains the ultimate workhorse with the best weather sealing, fastest FPS, best AF and great IQ, but also a niche camera.

Of course this is all wild speculation on my part, but it would allow Canon to compete on every front.  People disagree with me but I'll bet Canon execs get a little heartburn every time they hear about the D700 and it's replacement, its a market they could have been dominating for years....
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2010, 11:50:39 AM »
If Canon really release the mythical 3D I think it will be perfect! But i'm not a believer... hope to be wrong :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2010, 11:57:45 AM »
This doesn't surprise me at all, as the world economy continues to turn around and disposable income goes up Canon needs sales to fund R&D for the next generation.  The 1Ds has never sold in great numbers and releasing a new $6 - $8K body that will NOT sell in great numbers probably doesn't make financial sense right now.  Releasing a high performance, FF body would provide entry into a market where Canon isn't currently competing.  The 1DIV comes at too high of a price point and competes with more expensive Nikon bodies so there is room here for another body to gain some market share.

I think we just might see the mythical 3D finally released to fill this niche with the 5DIII taking on the high MP "studio" duties until the next 1Ds is ready.  I believe Canon wants the 1DsIV to crash the MF party where people are willing to pay a lot more for the ultimate in IQ.  The 3D has been talked about for years, but it makes sense to release it now as it would complete Canon's advanced amateur, semi-pro lineup very nicely.  7D high performance crop, 5D ultimate FF IQ for studio work, 3D fast & FF 16-18MP for the "all of the above" shooters like myself.  Canon would literally have something for everyone who wants to step up from the Rebels and upgrade their aging XXD cameras, many of these people myself included are considering the dark side because it seems that Canon wants us to buy 2 cameras to shoot everything we like.  I still don't know what purpose the 60D serves, it seems to exist only to fill the price gap between the T2i and 7D.

The 1 series remains the ultimate workhorse with the best weather sealing, fastest FPS, best AF and great IQ, but also a niche camera.

Of course this is all wild speculation on my part, but it would allow Canon to compete on every front.  People disagree with me but I'll bet Canon execs get a little heartburn every time they hear about the D700 and it's replacement, its a market they could have been dominating for years....

I agree 100%and would buy that 3D for sure.
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2010, 01:25:07 PM »
Some mutually contradicting rumors lately. If this is CR2 then the previous (unrated) rumor of another DSLR release for Photokina should now be rated CR0. The only possible body replacements then would be a 2000D (rebadged 450D or 500D) or a 5D2n, i.e., 5D2 + all 7D features (AF esp.)/buttons/customizability + elimination of low ISO banding. That would have been such an easy, no-brainer minor model change for a very popular FF body. LOL @ a 24-70 IS release together with a 2000D. ::) Better luck next time.
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 01:49:20 PM »
Yup. Finally some meaningful info.
I guess all those 'sources' that 'predicted' a 1Ds4 at Photokina can safely be written off  ;D  ;D

So, which cameras will Canon refresh next and in what order.

The 5D classic was updated in its third year and the XXD series has been on an year and a half refresh cycle.
Following the same schedule, the 7D should see a refresh next spring and the 5DII next autumn.

Let the new rumors begin :).

Canon has been very tight lipped this past year, though.

The 7D is considered on a same class as the 5D series according to Canon, So i can see that being on a similar 3 year cycle as the 5D and 1D cameras... Plus... until the other cameras (5D and 1D) get the same features (levels, metering, flash trigger, et al) I dont see a need for a new 7D as of now.  I dont see the immediate need for the 1Ds until they come out with the Digic 5 in some other camera to troubleshoot and perfect the technology... I do hope that the new features are worth it. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2010, 01:55:00 PM »
Hmmm interesting,
1DsIV in a year+, Fovian type sensor shooting 2 or 4K video.
Then the 5DIII 6+ months away with similar tech as 7D, and more refined video(binning vs. Line skiping)

That leaves the door open for a 3D with 18ish Mp and 7-9 fps
Come on canon, Bring It!!!

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2010, 02:19:37 PM »
This doesn't surprise me at all, as the world economy continues to turn around and disposable income goes up Canon needs sales to fund R&D for the next generation.  The 1Ds has never sold in great numbers and releasing a new $6 - $8K body that will NOT sell in great numbers probably doesn't make financial sense right now.  Releasing a high performance, FF body would provide entry into a market where Canon isn't currently competing.  The 1DIV comes at too high of a price point and competes with more expensive Nikon bodies so there is room here for another body to gain some market share.

I think we just might see the mythical 3D finally released to fill this niche with the 5DIII taking on the high MP "studio" duties until the next 1Ds is ready.  I believe Canon wants the 1DsIV to crash the MF party where people are willing to pay a lot more for the ultimate in IQ.  The 3D has been talked about for years, but it makes sense to release it now as it would complete Canon's advanced amateur, semi-pro lineup very nicely.  7D high performance crop, 5D ultimate FF IQ for studio work, 3D fast & FF 16-18MP for the "all of the above" shooters like myself.  Canon would literally have something for everyone who wants to step up from the Rebels and upgrade their aging XXD cameras, many of these people myself included are considering the dark side because it seems that Canon wants us to buy 2 cameras to shoot everything we like.  I still don't know what purpose the 60D serves, it seems to exist only to fill the price gap between the T2i and 7D.

The 1 series remains the ultimate workhorse with the best weather sealing, fastest FPS, best AF and great IQ, but also a niche camera.

Of course this is all wild speculation on my part, but it would allow Canon to compete on every front.  People disagree with me but I'll bet Canon execs get a little heartburn every time they hear about the D700 and it's replacement, its a market they could have been dominating for years....

I agree 100%and would buy that 3D for sure.

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2010, 03:23:33 PM »
Who cares "radical" upgrades? Canon simply forget to make good cameras. 5D is crippled by the AF, 7D sucks due to the too high MP, and i have to borrow my mate's D700, if I want good pictures in low light. Perhaps I should buy that...

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2010, 03:56:15 PM »
This year, Canon has been doing minor updates.  I would not be suprised if they decided to wait and do something like a mirrorless camera that obsoleted the APS-H series, or maybe two FF cameras.

There are no big break-thrus yet in sensors, but lots of tricks that can be done to make improvements.  Maybe they are stepping back to re-think the situation.  i'm sure that sony's new fixed mirror camera has come sooner than they had wanted.  They hold a lot of patents in that area.  Maybe sony has a FF pellicle camera coming soon, and Canon is setting up to match it.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2010, 03:56:41 PM »
Who cares "radical" upgrades? Canon simply forget to make good cameras. 5D is crippled by the AF, 7D sucks due to the too high MP, and i have to borrow my mate's D700, if I want good pictures in low light. Perhaps I should buy that...

I could go on and on about the quality of the 5D and 7D camera (since I use them) however you would probably call me a fanboy... However heard the phrase "different strokes for different folks"... Canon and Nikon builds cameras for different markets and different photographers and photographers needs and wants.  In the end of the day, all it is is a glorified computer that captures the image... Choose and camera that suits your needs and quit trolling.  Also dont dog cameras just because it wasn't marketed specifically for you. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2010, 04:31:57 PM »
People are forggeting how old the 1Ds MkIII is, it's still the last in the Canon lineup to add video.

There are all the new features on the 1D MkIV to add to the 1Ds (bigger sensor, better dynamic range, more AF points, etc..) to make it "fresh", plus any new ones they didn't want to included in the slightly rushed-out 1D MkIV

On top of that, every single 1Ds has been released every 3 years every November, so it's at it's due date now.

Also, don't forget a CR2 is just someone who was right in the past. They could have been right in the past based on luck. Or even the source that the CR2 source is getting this info from got some bad info to pass on.

Bottom line: It's still a RUMOR, hence the site. It would suck if it were true, but i'm still holding my breath for a CR3 or Photokina.

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2010, 05:18:55 PM »
People are forggeting how old the 1Ds MkIII is, it's still the last in the Canon lineup to add video.

There are all the new features on the 1D MkIV to add to the 1Ds (bigger sensor, better dynamic range, more AF points, etc..) to make it "fresh", plus any new ones they didn't want to included in the slightly rushed-out 1D MkIV

On top of that, every single 1Ds has been released every 3 years every November, so it's at it's due date now.

Also, don't forget a CR2 is just someone who was right in the past. They could have been right in the past based on luck. Or even the source that the CR2 source is getting this info from got some bad info to pass on.

Bottom line: It's still a RUMOR, hence the site. It would suck if it were true, but i'm still holding my breath for a CR3 or Photokina.


I agree it's just a CR2 rumor right now, but TBH, other than a few high dollar studio photogs and spec whores like myself  ;D
there aren't many people who are checking for this camera.  $6-$8K is just too much scratch for most of us even those with disposable income.  However far more people, myself included have cash in hand and are looking to buy in the $2-$3.5K range right now or within the next few months.  Since the bodies in this range have all been out for a couple of   years, we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the new models to drop.  There's a lot more anticipation and potential sales waiting for Canon & Nikon in this range and I think they both know it.  Again, this is pure speculation by me and not in any way based on fact, just my knowledge of marketing and supply/demand which I deal with daily.

I know Canon needs a flagship for bragging rights if nothing else, but the 1Ds really has only one competitor in the D3x and they are pretty much still equally matched in performance and price, it really boils down to which brand you prefer.  The 1Ds was released in 11/07 and the D3x about a year later, if Nikon sticks to their 4 year release cycle, the D4x won't be released for another 2 years, Canon probably feels like they have plenty of time to put out the 1Ds and are concentrating on more profitable SLRs.
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV in 2011 or 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2010, 05:52:46 PM »
As far as "radical" developments go, I'm hoping it's programmability. That would be quite the departure from existing cameras and would require that Canon document hardware and firmware in a way they haven't done before.

Think CHDK for SLRs. Hacks built in and encouraged!

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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2010, 07:00:52 PM »
The only reason for me with sticking with the 1Ds series is superior low-light AF with full frame, it's the only one in the Canon linup with it.

If Canon made a 3D with comparable AF, low megapixel sensor and high ISO, I would definately drop the 1Ds. Same if they improved the AF with the 5D series.

Otherwise i'm stuck with the 1Ds series if I want to have perfectly composed images in the camera with low-light lenses.

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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2010, 08:06:41 PM »
I'm finding Rukes and Anastas to have the most interesting comments here.

Personally I've been expecting the 5D Mark II sooner than the 1Ds Mark IV; the lower-end a camera is the more regular the updates have to be, else they cede that segment to more up-to-date cameras from other manufacturers.  Yes, the 1Ds is three years old at this point, but it may well be that Canon is taking an extra year (over the usual three - year schedule for the 1Ds series, i.e. Mark II in 2004, Mark III in 2007, though the original 1Ds was replaced in two years after a 2002 Photokina unveiling) to reshuffle the lineup and features again.

I don't know if the need for most people will be as strong after / if the 5D Mark III (or something more expensive...) is released - full-frame and with an upgraded (finally) autofocus system, both of which are obvious selling points for the 5D line, unless they rejigger that line too.  I haven't a clue how Canon will justify something in the 1Ds price range but it may involve video or certain features - perhaps the body will incorporate some features previously seen only in expansion modules like the WFT, for instance (we've already seen how even the 60D has greater integration re controlling flashes than previous models).

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