October 23, 2014, 07:31:19 AM

Author Topic: Guess what?  (Read 7264 times)

EOBeav

  • Canon 6D
  • *****
  • Posts: 405
    • View Profile
    • My Landscape Photoblog
Guess what?
« on: July 22, 2013, 12:18:31 AM »
If you're shooting with a 135mm prime lens (non-IS), and your camera max shutter sync speed is only 1/200...that's not a lot of wiggle room.
In landscape photography, when you shoot is more important than where.

Gear: Canon 5DmkII, 17-40mm f/4 L, 50mm f/1.4, 70-200mm f/4.

canon rumors FORUM

Guess what?
« on: July 22, 2013, 12:18:31 AM »

polarhannes

  • Rebel SL1
  • ***
  • Posts: 91
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 12:54:40 AM »
Did you consider HSS or was that not an option?
"The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera." - Dorothea Lange

hyles

  • PowerShot G1 X II
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 02:41:50 AM »
Usually flash is faster then any shutter speed, and it is flash light that freezes the movement.
Diego

RAKAMRAK

  • Canon 70D
  • ****
  • Posts: 306
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 04:35:27 AM »
If you're shooting with a 135mm prime lens (non-IS), and your camera max shutter sync speed is only 1/200...that's not a lot of wiggle room.

It is too cryptic.... could you elaborate the situation you are facing a little bit more?
Need to learn a lot more.
My Flickr Page

paul13walnut5

  • Guest
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 04:58:59 AM »
Usually flash is faster then any shutter speed, and it is flash light that freezes the movement.
Diego

True in a studio.  Not so true for fill flash on bright summers days.

RLPhoto

  • Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 3507
  • Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
    • View Profile
    • My Portfolio
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 09:02:21 AM »
If you're shooting with a 135mm prime lens (non-IS), and your camera max shutter sync speed is only 1/200...that's not a lot of wiggle room.

That can be an issue if your mixing ambient with flash on the 135L. That's only an issue if you want everything in the frame sharp and not just what the flash strikes handheld. If your mixing slower than 1/135th, and want a sharp frame, a tripod is the best bet. Now handheld, IS will work but it wouldn't stop motion from your subject blurring by movement.

There is a lot of ways to slice this, specifics are important.

hyles

  • PowerShot G1 X II
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 02:05:39 PM »
Usually flash is faster then any shutter speed, and it is flash light that freezes the movement.
Diego

True in a studio.  Not so true for fill flash on bright summers days.
In this case the problem is not caused from movement of the sobject, but it is more likely caused by a double exposure, the first caused by flash light and the second formed by ambient light. You can solve this problem closing diafragm. If you want to keep lens open and flash light you can chose HSS or a ND filter.
Diego

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Guess what?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 02:05:39 PM »

paul13walnut5

  • Guest
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 07:17:03 PM »
Usually flash is faster then any shutter speed, and it is flash light that freezes the movement.
Diego

True in a studio.  Not so true for fill flash on bright summers days.
In this case the problem is not caused from movement of the sobject, but it is more likely caused by a double exposure, the first caused by flash light and the second formed by ambient light. You can solve this problem closing diafragm. If you want to keep lens open and flash light you can chose HSS or a ND filter.
Diego

In this case the problem is caused by camera shake because the flash enforced shutter max synch speed of 1/200th is too slow.

It is not a double exposure, it is a question of mixing and balance flash with ambient light.

Closing the diaphragm will give the flash more work to expose at all, and make it tricker to reach an ambient / flash balance, the result is likely to be dark background and caught int headlights subject, flat batteries and long recycling time.

HSS is probably part of the answer, although for fill flash against bright daylight you probably want to keep the power up, HSS will diminish the power..  A monopod is probably the other part.
 

EOBeav

  • Canon 6D
  • *****
  • Posts: 405
    • View Profile
    • My Landscape Photoblog
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 07:43:39 PM »
This isn't really a problem, just an a-ha moment that I had. I have the Canon 135mm f/2 L, which is non-IS. I also shoot with a Canon 5DmkII, max shutter speed sync of 1/200 sec.  I also have a non-HSS flash.  When I was combining all three the other day (combining flash with ambient), I realized that I need to keep my shutter speed at least ~1/160 but under 1/200.  That's not a lot of wiggle room. 

Not a complaint, just an observation. I won't be able to get the HSS for awhile, but you can bet its next on my wish list. 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum.
In landscape photography, when you shoot is more important than where.

Gear: Canon 5DmkII, 17-40mm f/4 L, 50mm f/1.4, 70-200mm f/4.

jdramirez

  • Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 2438
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2013, 08:35:40 PM »
 Chicken butt.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L->85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm ->100L & 85L

Ryan708

  • EOS M2
  • ****
  • Posts: 225
  • Less bickering, more shooting
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2013, 09:29:20 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN568EX-YN-568EX-Speed-Speedlite/dp/B0094O6GNI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374715228&sr=8-3&keywords=yongnuo+568

Yongnuo are pretty well praised, I have a Sigma with HSS, and it works great (other than the firmware being glitchy)  I can shoot @ f 1.8 in the snow and still use fill-flash, although the 61 meter range is cut about in half.
60D, Sigma 17-70 2.8-4, Tamron 70-300 4-5.6 VC, EF 50mm 1.8II, and a Sigma EF-610 DG superflash

privatebydesign

  • Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 2567
  • Ermintrude says "moo"
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2013, 09:45:41 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN568EX-YN-568EX-Speed-Speedlite/dp/B0094O6GNI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374715228&sr=8-3&keywords=yongnuo+568

Yongnuo are pretty well praised, I have a Sigma with HSS, and it works great (other than the firmware being glitchy)  I can shoot @ f 1.8 in the snow and still use fill-flash, although the 61 meter range is cut about in half.

A secondhand 550EX is better value and will always have 100% functionality with any EOS camera now and in the future.
The best time to plant a tree is twenty-five years ago. The second best time is today.

EOBeav

  • Canon 6D
  • *****
  • Posts: 405
    • View Profile
    • My Landscape Photoblog
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 12:38:55 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN568EX-YN-568EX-Speed-Speedlite/dp/B0094O6GNI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374715228&sr=8-3&keywords=yongnuo+568

Yongnuo are pretty well praised, I have a Sigma with HSS, and it works great (other than the firmware being glitchy)  I can shoot @ f 1.8 in the snow and still use fill-flash, although the 61 meter range is cut about in half.

A secondhand 550EX is better value and will always have 100% functionality with any EOS camera now and in the future.

I've got 2 YN-560's, and I wouldn't have a problem buying a HSS version. That company is still trying to shake the QC reputation of some of their first production runs.  I just haven't had a problem with mine after two years.
In landscape photography, when you shoot is more important than where.

Gear: Canon 5DmkII, 17-40mm f/4 L, 50mm f/1.4, 70-200mm f/4.

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Guess what?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 12:38:55 PM »

privatebydesign

  • Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 2567
  • Ermintrude says "moo"
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 03:46:44 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN568EX-YN-568EX-Speed-Speedlite/dp/B0094O6GNI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374715228&sr=8-3&keywords=yongnuo+568

Yongnuo are pretty well praised, I have a Sigma with HSS, and it works great (other than the firmware being glitchy)  I can shoot @ f 1.8 in the snow and still use fill-flash, although the 61 meter range is cut about in half.

A secondhand 550EX is better value and will always have 100% functionality with any EOS camera now and in the future.

I've got 2 YN-560's, and I wouldn't have a problem buying a HSS version. That company is still trying to shake the QC reputation of some of their first production runs.  I just haven't had a problem with mine after two years.

I don't care what anybody but me buys, I really don't. I got some Yongnuo RF-602's years ago and was very happy to recommend them. Just pointing out that as far as flashes go there are actually cheaper branded options. I used 550EX's for years, never saw the point in the 580EX or 580EX II, once the 600-EX-RT came out I did see the advantages so went to that, but I still have several 550's and couldn't be happier with them, best $120 a Canon shooter can spend on speedlites.
The best time to plant a tree is twenty-five years ago. The second best time is today.

Daniel Flather

  • 1D Mark IV
  • ******
  • Posts: 867
    • View Profile
Re: Guess what?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 11:31:08 PM »
Use a leaf shutter, problem solved. 
| 5D3 | 8-15L | 24L II | 35L | 50L | 85L II | 100/2.8 | 200/2L | EOS M | 22 STM |

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Guess what?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 11:31:08 PM »