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7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« on: July 22, 2013, 01:07:04 PM »
What do you guys think of this rumor?  I'd only heard rumors before, but thought I'd throw it out into the CR forums to see what you guys all think.  Up until now, 7D has been thought of as the flagship for crop sensors.  However, is the 70D the new flag-bearer with big changes to come in the FF lineup?   

Here's a link to the CanonWatch site where it's discussed:

http://www.canonwatch.com/rumor-eos-70d-will-be-top-of-aps-c-line-up-eos-7d-mark-ii-will-be-entry-level-full-frame/
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7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 01:10:46 PM »
Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D.   ::)
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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 01:19:32 PM »
Sure and the next 1Dx will have a 1.3 crop sensor.

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 01:23:21 PM »
Here is what I think, pure speculation  ;D

7D Mark II will be the flagship APS-C camera, but will come in a 1D style body.

That way you have

Rebel -> 70D -> 7DII for crop

Just as you have

6D -> 5DIII -> 1DX for FF.

Again this is pure speculation, especially since I don't believe Canon has put anything aside from EOS-1 or 1D series in the larger body, but it would certainly seem to work. At that point the differentiation between 70D and 7DII is not feature set (AF, ISO, wifi, touchscreen, etc) but rather the larger differentiation is that the 7DII will be tougher - more weather sealed, takes more pro abuse, more bits would be mag-alloy, etc.


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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 01:24:25 PM »
Sure and the next 1Dx will have a 1.3 crop sensor.

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 01:36:52 PM »
Canon might release yet another entry-to-mid level full frame APS sensor camera, but I doubt it will be named 7D MkII. From a marketing standpoint it makes little sense to have confusion using the 'Mark' designation for something so different.

I do hope Canon realizes the advantage some have with cropped sensors and continues to produce magnesium alloy bodies with weather sealing. Sports and wildlife photographers require something quite durable. And the cropped sensor fits the need nicely.

I really do not believe the 60D or 70D achieves the same role as what the 7D or a real 7D MkII might.

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 01:39:10 PM »
If we're just going to make wild speculations, I think a 40mp crop is more likely than FF - using the new 70d sensor but with the dual-pixels read separately.

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 01:39:10 PM »

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 01:44:23 PM »
Note the date on the linked rumour - it's from over a year ago! Far before the 6D existed, and you could say the current 6D fits in where they describe the 7D mk2.

I've asked before, and I'll ask again - has there been any precedent for Canon to change sensor size within a model series? I can't see any successor to the 7D name being anything other than APS-C. If they change the sensor, they change the name too. On the "1D style body" noises, same question. Have they ever done radical changes in body size/shape within a series? Ok, the 60D may be slimmed down a little from the 50D and earlier, but that's in another direction.

To me, I find it hard to believe whatever will be called a 7D mk2 to be anything other than a normal body (non 1D style) with APS-C sensor. If they do make something that different, it will be called something else and not be a 7D any more! Have the mythical 3D for example.
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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 02:20:06 PM »
I heard aboot a mash-up between Canon and Sinar for the new 100*100mm sensor mini-view camera that uses the new EF-LF mount!
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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 02:23:24 PM »
Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D.   ::)

That would be the elusive 6.5D, right?
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 02:45:18 PM »
I just hope it comes with Siri and ability to steam movies/shows and play apps
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 02:54:09 PM »
I just hope it comes with Siri and ability to steam movies/shows and play apps

Did you refer to this one?
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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 03:18:02 PM »
What do you guys think of this rumor?  I'd only heard rumors before, but thought I'd throw it out into the CR forums to see what you guys all think.  Up until now, 7D has been thought of as the flagship for crop sensors.  However, is the 70D the new flag-bearer with big changes to come in the FF lineup?   

Here's a link to the CanonWatch site where it's discussed:

http://www.canonwatch.com/rumor-eos-70d-will-be-top-of-aps-c-line-up-eos-7d-mark-ii-will-be-entry-level-full-frame/

Without even reading that, that is ridiculous.

The whole point of 7D series was to get maximum reach for wildlife/sports along with max fps and great AF (although the 7D is, honestly, much more xxD than 1 series, with the 7D2 I think that will change and they will give it basically 5D3 AF) in a compact and relatively less expensive (compared to 1 series) package.

They already have an entry level FF with 6D too.

What good would 7D2 becoming entry-level FF be? They lose the entire huge 7D market and kill off the 6D market for what purpose?

OK, let me read it now just to see though.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 03:18:02 PM »

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 03:21:00 PM »

OK, let me read it now just to see though.

OK, having the read the rumor. I see that it actually was in all but one way correct but I also see that it is from 2012!! I think the source was good as the 70D turned out EXACTLY as he predicted. As well, Canon DID introduce a new FF entry-level model. The only thing is the source made a mistake calling it the 7D2 and reading too much into the upmarketing of the 70D and guessing wrong about the 7 series line. So he was wrong about what they did with the 7 series line but correct about everything in that 70D is EXACTLY as he predicted and the 6D did arrive as well.

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 03:22:30 PM »
Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D.   ::)

Rumor was from early 2012!

So it actually was correct then other than he read too much into the xxD series being bumped up and decided to guess that the entry level FF would be called 7D2. But exactly as predicted Canon has released a much boosted up 70D and they also released an entry level FF the 6D.

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Re: 7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 03:22:30 PM »