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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 08:57:20 PM »
it seems the 17-40 and my current 24-104L overlap too much ( 24-40 mm)?? dont you think?

I don't think so, no.  The advantage is you get more flexibility in framing without changing lenses.
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 08:57:20 PM »

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 09:07:34 PM »
Hi, I have the fantastic 6D and the 24-105mm f/4L. I recently purchased the Canon 17-40mm f/4L and it's pin sharp, especially when stopped down to around f/8 or f/11. The overlap between this lens and my 24-105mm doesn't bother me one bit; in fact I tend to use the 17-40mm more because it's considerably lighter than the 24-105mm and makes a good combo when I'm out and about. Zoomed out to 40mm it makes for a decent standard lens. Still, YMMV.
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 09:26:21 PM »
How is the sigma 12-24 compare to the others in terms of sharpness?
Hi,

same dilemma here... so far I'm thinking about:


17-40 (more universal, AF, filters, but there are wider options...)

samyang / bower ... 14mm (no filters, but wider than the canon and faster as well, cheapest by far (for some reason bower version even cheaper) and a bit for the full manual experience... call me curious)

sigma 12-24 (what a range, widest, complements the normal zooms starting at 24 and still AF... but no filters again, slowest and more expensive than the canon)

the sigma 15mm is a new thought, but not sure about how much I like the fisheyeishness,
the 17 TSE, canon 14mm and co. are out of range... though samyang tilt shift got my attention a bit (or, again, the bower with 150usd lower list price)


since I like CPL and lately like to play with a strong ND I'm coming back to 17-40, but maybe I could try the manual 14mm first... ?

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 09:36:36 PM »
17-40 is a great lens...but think about shooting wide angle for nightshapes at f4,  even with how high the iso goes on the 6D its always better to shoot at f2.8 at night...look at the Tokina 16-28 f2.8 and weigh the options of perhaps getting a used 16-35 f2.8L

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 09:49:23 PM »
I have the Sigma 14/2.8, and my comments:

Pros:
-Cheap (~$400 from ebay)
-F2.8
-Rectilinear (not fisheye)
-AF

Cons:
-Corners awful at F2.8, must close aperture down (especially FF, crop not as bad naturally)
-Quite strong "mustache" distortion

Doesn't affect me, but some would: cannot use filters (unless really special)

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 09:49:39 PM »
Allegedly the Tokina 16-28 is very flare prone. Like the 11-16 unfortunately. I got moon flare from that lens. The moon!!
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2013, 10:51:10 PM »
Rokinon 14mm F2.8... Got one for fathers day and love it.  Yes, it full manual and has mustache distortion, but is correctable with PTLens and other tools.  Drawback is no way to add filters.  Still, I have a blast with it (5D Mark III).


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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2013, 10:51:21 PM »
The Tokina 16-28 is super flare prone, not allegedly. Truth. I am not in the 17-40 camp. I have owned 2 copies and have not been happy with either , the 16-35 is no great wonder either. UWA zooms all have issues. Pick your battles. Now a wide prime is very different. I say find your widest focal length after a rental session with a zoom and buy a prime based upon the most used focal length. Really? No one 2nds my Zeiss motion?

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2013, 12:50:41 AM »
I'll add a vote for the 17-40mm L.  It fits your price range, and is more than wide enough.  I read all about the Samyang 14mm, so I bought one.  It was crap.  You don't want to risk getting a defective lens just before a trip.  The distortion of the 14mm Samyang is also huge.  Its far too wide for your needs, so you then have to crop.
 
I'd also vote for renting a Zeiss 21mm, or if you are really convinced you want ultra wide, rent the Zeiss 15mm.  Just watch out, you will find yourself obsessed with owning one.

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2013, 01:52:29 AM »
I'd also vote for renting a Zeiss 21mm, or if you are really convinced you want ultra wide, rent the Zeiss 15mm.  Just watch out, you will find yourself obsessed with owning one.
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I'd rent, if your not sure. The 21 is a beaut lens for what you want to do. Sharp and great contrast.
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2013, 01:47:26 PM »
How is the sigma 12-24 compare to the others in terms of sharpness?
Hi,

same dilemma here... so far I'm thinking about:


17-40 (more universal, AF, filters, but there are wider options...)

samyang / bower ... 14mm (no filters, but wider than the canon and faster as well, cheapest by far (for some reason bower version even cheaper) and a bit for the full manual experience... call me curious)

sigma 12-24 (what a range, widest, complements the normal zooms starting at 24 and still AF... but no filters again, slowest and more expensive than the canon)

the sigma 15mm is a new thought, but not sure about how much I like the fisheyeishness,
the 17 TSE, canon 14mm and co. are out of range... though samyang tilt shift got my attention a bit (or, again, the bower with 150usd lower list price)


since I like CPL and lately like to play with a strong ND I'm coming back to 17-40, but maybe I could try the manual 14mm first... ?

apparently not too bad for the range...
there is some (not too bad either) distortion, but hey, its a 12mm FF, AF zoom...

just be aware (e.g. buying used) that there is an older version (from what I read not that good) and a (rather improved) version II

some more technical stuff and samples here
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/676-sigma1224f4556iiff
http://www.camerastuffreview.com/sigma-lens-review/sigma-12-24mm-ii-review
http://www.ryanbrenizer.com/2011/11/review-sigma-12-24mm-mark-ii/
http://www.lenstip.com/326.11-Lens_review-Sigma_12-24_mm_f_4.5-5.6_II_DG_HSM_Summary.html
http://www.jirisebek.com/other/sigma-12-24.html (compared to 17-40)
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2013, 03:17:50 PM »
The Tokina 16-28 is super flare prone, not allegedly. Truth. I am not in the 17-40 camp. I have owned 2 copies and have not been happy with either , the 16-35 is no great wonder either. UWA zooms all have issues. Pick your battles. Now a wide prime is very different. I say find your widest focal length after a rental session with a zoom and buy a prime based upon the most used focal length. Really? No one 2nds my Zeiss motion?

I have shot with the 16-28 now for two years and I love it...**** the flare haters that talk **** on this lens..Any Idiot with an above average IQ can compensate for any type of flair in the field, that is unless your IQ is somewhat below average...

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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2013, 03:33:04 PM »
I have shot with the 16-28 now for two years and I love it...**** the flare haters that talk **** on this lens..Any Idiot with an above average IQ can compensate for any type of flair in the field, that is unless your IQ is somewhat below average...

I guess I'm dum, then. So dum that I cant even spell dum (although I can spell flare properly for the intended context, and not use it interchangeably with its homophone).   ::)

See, the thing is, while it's easy to 'compensate for flare' by changing your composition, what if I want the light source in my image?  What if that light source is what gives the image it's unique flair (as in, stylishness and originality), but I want the flair without the flare?  How can I compensate?  Please, educate and enlighten us with your erudite exposition...

BTW, for those who are interested, here's a flare comparison of the Canon 17-40L vs the Tokina 16-28.
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2013, 03:58:06 PM »
I have shot with the 16-28 now for two years and I love it...**** the flare haters that talk **** on this lens..Any Idiot with an above average IQ can compensate for any type of flair in the field, that is unless your IQ is somewhat below average...

I guess I'm dum, then. So dum that I cant even spell dum (although I can spell flare properly for the intended context, and not use it interchangeably with its homophone).   ::)

See, the thing is, while it's easy to 'compensate for flare' by changing your composition, what if I want the light source in my image?  What if that light source is what gives the image it's unique flair (as in, stylishness and originality), but I want the flair without the flare?  How can I compensate?  Please, educate and enlighten us with your erudite exposition...

BTW, for those who are interested, here's a flare comparison of the Canon 17-40L vs the Tokina 16-28.

Gee I must be dum...you should be a teacher... I also guess by your extreme terms of endearment you didn’t bother to realize how I was using flair in my context.....   I use the flair as a style in my shooting when it suits best...I don’t have any issues at all with how it "flares"..

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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2013, 04:19:21 PM »
Gee I must be dum...you should be a teacher... I also guess by your extreme terms of endearment you didn’t bother to realize how I was using flair in my context.....   I use the flair as a style in my shooting when it suits best...I don’t have any issues at all with how it "flares"..

Sorry, my apologies.  I didn't understand your use of the word flair in context.

Any Idiot with an above average IQ can compensate for any type of flair in the field, that is unless your IQ is somewhat below average...

So, you are smart enough to compensate for any type of flair in your photos.

flair \ˈfler\  noun : stylishness and originality

com·pen·sate \ˈkäm-pən-ˌsāt\  intransitive verb : to offset an error, defect, or undesired effect

So, you're saying that flair, meaning a distinctive elegance or style in your shooting, is an error, defect, or undesired effect, but you're smart enough to be able to offset that flair by making your photos lack style and interest.  Now I understand what you meant.  Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Wide Angle lens for my 6D
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2013, 04:19:21 PM »