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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2013, 09:17:32 AM »
agree with neuro here..,,
I have not tried Tokina 11-16 ...but Canon 10-22 is a good performer...
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It should come as kit lens on crop body  -  IMO

I sold mine for $700 after yrs of use ...more than I paid new..
they are avail used...just check out to insure it is optically right...

usually less than $700
refurbished from canon would be ideal

I went from crop body to 5D2...
the 10-22 was last lens sold before the crop body (50D)

as the wide end on a cropper, the 10-22 (becomes 16-35mm) prepares you for a lot of options
to cover useful range...
...the 24-70/105 zooms fit right in..
I liked carrying the macro/ 10-22 as a 2 lens kit....
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16-35 II replaced the 10-22 on FF.. same basic framing... a little better than 10-22..
then got 14 L II
still have the 16-35 II .. too useful to give up

resale of 10-22 is solid too..
as I said TOKINA might be good too...did not try it..heard good things

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2013, 09:17:32 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2013, 09:33:41 AM »
based on what you wanted, for flexibility in low-light, you have 3 options it seems.

Rokinon 16mm f/2...that'll give you the most flexibility and give you the prime you want. But, like you said, there are basically 0 reviews. I leave the Rokinon 14mm out because of the lack of filters; and the options to adapt filters for it are as expensive as the lens itself (at which point, you might as well own the Tokina).

Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8: Gives you a full stop over most of the other wide angle lenses, which is pretty key for low-light scenes or night photography. And it's just as sharp as the others. You wont really miss the difference between 16mm and 20-22mm.

Sigma 18-35 f/1.8. Ultimate flexibility low-light wise, and it gives you a similar range as your old lens. It'd actually render the 35mm prime obsolete too

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2013, 11:13:39 AM »
I have been reading everyone's posts and researching every recommendation. Right now I am leaning towards the Tonkia 11-16mm f/2.8. From the online review I have been reading about this lens it is very sharp. Very little lens flaring, vignetting and barrel distortion. This seems like the ideal focal length and with a low constant aperture of f/2.8, perfect for shooting in low light situations.

However, I still feel like the lens manufacturers are missing out on the market for wide angle primes for crop sensor cameras. The wide angle zooms suggested in this post look great but nothing beets the sharpness of a good prime.

Thank you everyone for your input!
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2013, 11:31:54 AM »
However, I still feel like the lens manufacturers are missing out on the market for wide angle primes for crop sensor cameras. The wide angle zooms suggested in this post look great but nothing beets the sharpness of a good prime.

That's probably because from the manufacturer's viewpoint, the APS-C market is a consumer market, and in recent years the consumer preference has been overwhelmingly in favor of zooms.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2013, 11:39:52 AM »
I have the Sigma 10-20... It seems to work ok for me. (I have also tried it on a 5D2....it's "interesting" to say the least).

17 or 18 mm is not wide angle enough for APS-C and landscapes... you can cheat by taking several pictures and stitching them together, but if you have people in the shot it just will not do... You really need 10mm...

I believe that most editing software (lightroom etc...) has the lens profile included so you can really correct for distortion.... ultra-wide angle lenses in a digital workflow are nowhere near the same as ultra-wide lenses with film.
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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2013, 03:05:55 PM »
I too sold my 10-22 for more than the full retail I bought it for. Just goes to show how Canon retains value and how most folks value that certain lens as a great crop UWAZ.

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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2013, 03:09:41 PM »
I think I would pick the Tokina 11-16 f2.8 in your position. I bought the Tokina 12-24 f4 about 3 months ago to go on a 7D and have been very happy with it, at the time the 11-16 was out of my price range, since then the price has dropped, considering upgrading to it myself given my desire to do some more astro photography. I tried the sigma 10-20, but just prefered the Tokina more.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2013, 06:54:04 PM »
My post continued: For a crop I would prefer 10-22 ...

Sure, I read that, I just wanted to strengthen the fact that on crop the 10-22 is not *preferable* to a 17-40L for a uwa, but the 10-22 is the *only* choice for the couple of reasons written above.

17 or 18 mm is not wide angle enough for APS-C and landscapes... you can cheat by taking several pictures and stitching them together, but if you have people in the shot it just will not do... You really need 10mm...

Imho "landscape" and "ultrawide" are not synonymous, my 17-40L is quite nice at least for what I shoot on crop. And 10mm less still don't capture the 360 degrees world around you and you still might end up doing panoramas which usually also works ok. The reason for uwa is more that you *want* the distortion for creativity, not to necessarily to "take it all in" as Ken Rockwell correctly remarked.

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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2013, 07:12:48 PM »
17 or 18 mm is not wide angle enough for APS-C and landscapes... you can cheat by taking several pictures and stitching them together, but if you have people in the shot it just will not do... You really need 10mm...

Imho "landscape" and "ultrawide" are not synonymous, my 17-40L is quite nice at least for what I shoot on crop. And 10mm less still don't capture the 360 degrees world around you and you still might end up doing panoramas which usually also works ok. The reason for uwa is more that you *want* the distortion for creativity, not to necessarily to "take it all in" as Ken Rockwell correctly remarked.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2013, 07:15:19 PM »
I have the Sigma 8-16. I really need to make a gallery here for it as I do not think there is one.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2013, 11:08:48 PM »
17 or 18 mm is not wide angle enough for APS-C and landscapes... you can cheat by taking several pictures and stitching them together, but if you have people in the shot it just will not do... You really need 10mm...

Imho "landscape" and "ultrawide" are not synonymous, my 17-40L is quite nice at least for what I shoot on crop. And 10mm less still don't capture the 360 degrees world around you and you still might end up doing panoramas which usually also works ok. The reason for uwa is more that you *want* the distortion for creativity, not to necessarily to "take it all in" as Ken Rockwell correctly remarked.

+1

I often use my 70-300L or 100-400L for landscapes.

+1 as my best cityscapes are at 200mm. Compression makes modern and brutal urbanization even more oppressing.

But in that subfield, UWA is indeed "to take it all in" as many things can block the shot...or go back to the core of land/cityscape: location, location, location.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2013, 05:08:59 AM »
I often use my 70-300L or 100-400L for landscapes.

Welcome to the 70-300L club, I didn't realize you're a member now :-)

Concerning uwa: The landscape theory also begs the question what f2.8 should be for, that's why the 17-40L is optimized for small apertures (round spot lights up to f8, still no noticeable diffraction @f16).

As far as I understand it a large aperture w/ uwa is for close up shots to still get a strong background blur, something I cannot do with the 17-40L. Also "taking it all in" is extremely useful for group portraits when you cannot get enough distance, and here f2.8 might be useful for shutter speed when indoors.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2013, 05:29:07 AM »
Buy the eos m plus the new 11-22 and be happy!  For its total size and weight (and prize!) you can have it in parallel to your other equipment and dont have to change optics...
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« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2013, 06:19:58 AM »
Have been using the Tokina 11-16 for a while now on my 7D,excellent results and sharpness,any CA easily fixed in Lr5 , prints from my Pro 1 at A3+ have excellent IQ
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« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2013, 09:11:56 AM »
I often use my 70-300L or 100-400L for landscapes.
Welcome to the 70-300L club, I didn't realize you're a member now :-)

Yep - picked it up mainly for use as a travel telezoom, it fits my bags vertically, making it much more convenient.  The 24-70 II + 70-300L make a great travel kit.

Buy the eos m plus the new 11-22 and be happy!  For its total size and weight (and prize!) you can have it in parallel to your other equipment and dont have to change optics...

Unless the OP is in the USA, where Canon isn't selling or servicing the 11-22mm (at least for now, I expect they'll announce the lens with the next verison of the M).
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2013, 09:11:56 AM »