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« on: July 31, 2013, 09:07:28 PM »
Which one do you use, for what kind of job and why?

When I have complete control of the lighting, like on a set, I usually try to get an in-camera look as near as possible to the final look I want to get, so I usually create a specific style for each film, modifing an existing style or creating a new one with that infernal tool that is Canon's Picture Style Editor. Unfortunately I don't know about any other software that can do the work...

When I don't have control over the lighting and I know I won't have much time for the color grading, like when I'm shooting events or corporate videos, I usually choose the "Neutral" style, setting sharpness to "0" and sometimes lowering the contrast as much as possible.

When I don't have control over the lighting but I know I'll have time for a proper color grading, I often use the Technicolor CineStyle v1.0, which is the only "flat" style I really like. And the only one I know that is able to increase so much the DR, without showing too much noise.

These are the picture styles I tried so far:
Technicolor CineStyle, Marvels Cine, cineplus Picture Styles, Canon Video Camera X-Series Look, Flaat picture styles, ExtraFlat Picture Style, Superflat Picture Style

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Re: Picture styles
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 09:27:52 PM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.
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Re: Picture styles
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 10:26:14 PM »
I use neutral too, shoot raw, process in LR.

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 11:27:01 PM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.

I believe OP is talking about video, not stills. Unless you're shooting with the 5d3 alpha raw video. In which case you're absolutely right, Picture Style is largely irrelevant.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 01:05:31 AM »
I use neutral too, shoot raw, process in LR.

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2013, 02:06:12 AM »
OP, as a video guy myself, I'd be very interested in hearing more about your thoughts on the various cinema-centric picture styles and why you don't like most of them. In my own testing I've found Cinestyle to give poor-looking results, worse than Standard, but it may well just be my own errors causing that.

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2013, 08:47:57 AM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.

I believe OP is talking about video, not stills. Unless you're shooting with the 5d3 alpha raw video. In which case you're absolutely right, Picture Style is largely irrelevant.

Yep - sorry, I totally missed that!   :-[
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Re: Picture styles
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2013, 09:01:46 AM »
OP, as a video guy myself, I'd be very interested in hearing more about your thoughts on the various cinema-centric picture styles and why you don't like most of them. In my own testing I've found Cinestyle to give poor-looking results, worse than Standard, but it may well just be my own errors causing that.

Cinestyle is supposed to give you an extremely flat, unuppealing image, to give you more room for color grading. Standard picture style is very sharpened, saturated and contrasty, three things that are usually not so good for a footage that still has to be color graded.
What I dislike most about "cinema-centric picture styles" is that they often improve the dynamic range and the rolloff in highlights and shadows, but they tend to compress mid-lights areas and to increase noise a lot.
What I dislike about every picture style i the in-camera sharpening. It's applied before codec compression, it should be at least decent, but it's simply awful. I always pull it to "0" and, if needed, I add sharpening in post.

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2013, 09:05:15 AM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.

I believe OP is talking about video, not stills. Unless you're shooting with the 5d3 alpha raw video. In which case you're absolutely right, Picture Style is largely irrelevant.

Yes, I'm talking about video! And even shooting raw video I think that starting from the right picture style is useful to speed-up the heavy post-processing workflow...

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2013, 10:39:25 AM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.

+1, the only reason I shoot in JPG is for the histogram.  I keep it set at neutral as to have no impact on the histogram.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2013, 10:44:52 AM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.
+1, the only reason I shoot in JPG is for the histogram.  I keep it set at neutral as to have no impact on the histogram.

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Even shooting in RAW, you get a histogram based on the JPG preview image the camera generates and stores in the RAW file container.  FWIW, Neutral picture style isn't enough to have 'no impact on the histogram' since the white balance applied to the JPG image will also affect the histogram (google "uniwb" for more details).
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Re: Picture styles
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 11:07:41 AM »
For still pictures I use neutral as pointed by others here as it does not impact the pictures once RAW is imported into my computer.  Sometime however for video I use a picture style with a bit more contrast and more color to make the video more snappy!
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 11:53:36 AM »
I shoot in RAW and I convert using DxO.  So, Picture Style is irrelevant except insofar as it affects the histogram.  I use Neutral.

I believe OP is talking about video, not stills. Unless you're shooting with the 5d3 alpha raw video. In which case you're absolutely right, Picture Style is largely irrelevant.

Yes, I'm talking about video! And even shooting raw video I think that starting from the right picture style is useful to speed-up the heavy post-processing workflow...

From my understanding (I could be wrong) the MagicLantern 5d3 raw video does not even create the jpg preview, and so you're not using the Picture Style at all. I could be wrong though.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2013, 02:58:51 PM »
From my understanding (I could be wrong) the MagicLantern 5d3 raw video does not even create the jpg preview, and so you're not using the Picture Style at all. I could be wrong though.

You're absolutely right. I just started playing around with video RAW and there are still a few thiings that I need to understand. "Picture style" is one of those functions that, just like when you shoot stills, don't affect RAW...

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 04:09:12 PM »
From my understanding (I could be wrong) the MagicLantern 5d3 raw video does not even create the jpg preview, and so you're not using the Picture Style at all. I could be wrong though.

You're absolutely right. I just started playing around with video RAW and there are still a few thiings that I need to understand. "Picture style" is one of those functions that, just like when you shoot stills, don't affect RAW...

Which is one of the great parts about it :)  Now I just need to decide to spend enough money to get a 1000x card and start playing with it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 04:09:12 PM »