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Returning M today...
« on: August 02, 2013, 01:44:16 PM »
Had at least 4 bad pixels and even after trying manual sensor clean multiple times, the problem was still there. So I decided to return for exchange but Amazon tells me, they can't replace it since they don't have it anymore.

Does anyone know a source for body or full kit with 22mm lens in USA with USA warranty with the $300 range? I tried B & H, but it's now $399.

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 02:21:54 PM »
B&H has the EOS-M with 18-55mm lens for $349 now, that deal is a similar value to the $299 for M+22/2 lens.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 02:00:36 AM »
4 bad pixels out of how many! Do you buy cameras to take test shots or make pictures.

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 03:27:32 AM »
4 bad pixels out of how many! Do you buy cameras to take test shots or make pictures.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 04:22:40 AM »
4 bad pixels out of how many! Do you buy cameras to take test shots or make pictures.

This depends on how 'bad' the pixel is, especially at lower iso's. If in-camera software can't map it out then there's a good reason to return the camera! I've had hot pixels on a 40D and my current 7D but in-camera re-maps have worked for me without the need to exchange the hardware.

FWIW my Canon Powershot S90 had a bad (red-hot) pixel. I sent it to a canon repair center and received it back with the problem fixed. I think they simply remapped the imaging sensor (something you cannot do yourself with a compact camera because there is no 'cleaning mode').
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 02:52:58 PM »
Bought EOS M @ $299 through BH. I just sold it on CL for $365. Will replace with Sony RX100 II

Why RX100 II: I did have a chance playing with RX100 II last trip to HongKong, IQ is amazing. No doubt the RX100 II is out perform EOS M from AF speed, IQ, even in low light. Not to mention the body size - much smaller and it's pocketable.

I'm not sure how Sony does it...but lately, Sony introduces great compact cameras to market lately.


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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 02:57:38 PM »
I'm not sure how Sony does it...but lately, Sony introduces great compact cameras to market lately.

Well, they got a head-start; Canon is playing catch-up. FWIW that's why I got the NEX-6.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 06:33:05 PM »
RX 100 and RX 100 MkII are blessed with superior glass, so no wonder the IQ is excellent. When I used my EOS M with some of the highly regarded legacy lenses in my collection, the IQ was improved over the stock 22mm EF-M lens. I'd still get an EOS M body with a used adapted(MF) Zeiss Biogon T*, and then there can be fair comparison between RX 100 II and the EOS M. I still think both RX cameras are overpriced for the sensor size and IQ you get. I suppose the tiny size of the Sony can be an attractive trade off for many.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »
Canon will map out the bad pixels, assuming you are seeing them on the sensor.

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 07:40:13 PM »
Whilst it is not the same thing I found the bottled lens correction profile in Lightroom to be staggeringly good for the 22mm STM.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 12:44:59 PM »
Whilst it is not the same thing I found the bottled lens correction profile in Lightroom to be staggeringly good for the 22mm STM.

Even the 18-55mm kit lens is almost as sharp as the pancake, at all FOV, just some distortion at 18, 35 and 55mm(as with any zoom lens). I read it on pcmag. It's sharper and better performing than the comparable EF lens for T3i. However, from what I see from sample images, Zeiss T* glass is sharper(it better be for the extra $$$ it costs). For the money, Canon EF M lenses are bargain.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 10:17:52 AM »
RX 100 and RX 100 MkII are blessed with superior glass, so no wonder the IQ is excellent. When I used my EOS M with some of the highly regarded legacy lenses in my collection, the IQ was improved over the stock 22mm EF-M lens. I'd still get an EOS M body with a used adapted(MF) Zeiss Biogon T*, and then there can be fair comparison between RX 100 II and the EOS M. I still think both RX cameras are overpriced for the sensor size and IQ you get. I suppose the tiny size of the Sony can be an attractive trade off for many.

agree...otherwise, I wouldn't spend $2800 for RX1 - not only smaller in term of FF, but IQ is better than any Canon DSLR.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 05:06:52 PM »
RX100/mkII undoubtedly has better IQ than the M, but there are many people complaining about dust accumulating on sensor, even after few weeks of light use. Some claim they used proper casing to protect/carry around the camera. And the only way to clean sensor is to send it back to Sony or other repair shop. Sucks that in order to make the camera more portable, Sony resorted to P&S style lens instead of having a detachable lens like Nikon 1 system. Another con, to me is durability concerns. Everything about the lens is controlled electronically, from the lens cap blade to circling electronic dial around lens to control everything. it's just one of those additional things that can go wrong. In short, if Sony offered this camera with detachable lens and in camera lens cleaning mechanism, then I think the RX100 would have been even better. I guess Sony didn't want it to compete against NEX-5/6.

Fuji X100 and X M1 are great cameras with just as amazing IQ as the RX100. However their quality control is problematic. Even worse is their warranty repair/support here in USA. Based on what I read, it is horrific, in the true sense of the word.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2013, 01:07:16 AM »
RX100/mkII undoubtedly has better IQ than the M, but there are many people complaining about dust accumulating on sensor, even after few weeks of light use. Some claim they used proper casing to protect/carry around the camera. And the only way to clean sensor is to send it back to Sony or other repair shop. Sucks that in order to make the camera more portable, Sony resorted to P&S style lens instead of having a detachable lens like Nikon 1 system. Another con, to me is durability concerns. Everything about the lens is controlled electronically, from the lens cap blade to circling electronic dial around lens to control everything. it's just one of those additional things that can go wrong. In short, if Sony offered this camera with detachable lens and in camera lens cleaning mechanism, then I think the RX100 would have been even better. I guess Sony didn't want it to compete against NEX-5/6.

Fuji X100 and X M1 are great cameras with just as amazing IQ as the RX100. However their quality control is problematic. Even worse is their warranty repair/support here in USA. Based on what I read, it is horrific, in the true sense of the word.

Where do you see those complaints on mrk II? I been shooting with RX1 6-7months now, I haven't see any dust yet.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 01:28:27 AM »
I have looked at and then used a Canon M. It's certainly got a lot going for it, in terms of size and decent price (especially the current M lenses). But for me (and I know a lot of others) - while it's smaller than any DSLR, the EOS M still isn't truly meeting my criteria of 'very portable'.

That's why I bought a Sony RX-100 (for my fiancee), and I'm impressed with the image quality. I tested it when I received it. In some situations Canon APS-C DSLR bodies have an edge in terms of overall image crispness (and definitely depth of field).  In other photos, the Sony RX-100 holds it's own.  (I can't compare Sony RX-100 to Canon M - as I don't own an M...)

My fiancee's camera doesn't have any dust issues, yet... hoping it stays that way!

Kudos to Sony - and also other companies, technology improvements are great.

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