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What size RAW should I shoot at?
« on: August 02, 2013, 04:24:28 PM »
Sorry for the newbie question, but shooting at full sized RAW (20M 5472x3648) on my 6D can take up quite a bit of room on my computer's external HDD. M-RAW is bumped down to 11M, and S-RAW drops all the way to 5.0M. My photos are never printed, unless someone prints them for themselves. I deliver all my photos digitally, in full resolution of course. That being said, if S-RAW has a resolution of 2736x1824, which is quite a bit larger than an HD resolution of 1920x1080, does it really matter if I shoot at 5M? I barely ever crop over over the 16x9 aspect ratio, so I assume it should be fine? Anyways, I came here to get some valid answers from more experienced shooters. Thanks in advance!
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What size RAW should I shoot at?
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 04:29:12 PM »
Shoot full RAW - everything else is lossy.
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 04:34:48 PM »
For normal prints 10 mpix is enough.

To cut down on data-use I generally shoot MRAW on the 7D, SRAW 1 on the 5D2, both are approx 10 mpix. I go to full res though when I expect to need room for cropping or  to maximise detail ie in critical shots or some panorama's.

I never go below 10 megapixels.
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 04:39:14 PM »
Shoot full RAW - everything else is lossy.

I agree.

Assuming someone must use less storage space, I wonder which one would be better, M-RAW or full size jpeg. I guess it depends on the picture, setup etc., but I might vote for jpeg.

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 05:10:25 PM »
Shoot full RAW - everything else is lossy.

I agree.

Assuming someone must use less storage space, I wonder which one would be better, M-RAW or full size jpeg. I guess it depends on the picture, setup etc., but I might vote for jpeg.

With either s or m raw you can convert to a 16 bit Tif when you need to push or pull the data about. An 8 bit joey is processed info. Mind you the joeys from the latest Canon FF cameras are remarkably malleable.

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 05:25:52 PM »
If you have the storage space and a computer that can handle the file size shoot full sized RAW. If you are never going to print out large-ish pictures or crop your pictures, then I suppose S or M-RAW is fine, but for me I don't see why you wouldn't shoot full sized RAW to start with. Hard drives and memory cards are getting cheaper and cheaper these days.
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 05:48:04 PM »
If you have the storage space and a computer that can handle the file size shoot full sized RAW. If you are never going to print out large-ish pictures or crop your pictures, then I suppose S or M-RAW is fine, but for me I don't see why you wouldn't shoot full sized RAW to start with. Hard drives and memory cards are getting cheaper and cheaper these days.

+1 about storage

I recently got a 3.5 inch (plug in) external 3TB for $160 or so from a local store.  Online I'm sure you could get something even better for less.  In comparison to the amount you invested in full frame sensor and L glass, its nothing really.

If storage is an issue with no way chance to expand, I would personally opt to resize in post and trash all but the most important RAW files before I'd shoot at a half sized raw file (especially if you're shooting anything you might want to crop)..
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 05:58:51 PM »
That being said, if S-RAW has a resolution of 2736x1824, which is quite a bit larger than an HD resolution of 1920x1080, does it really matter if I shoot at 5M?
'HD' resolution is just a stepping stone for computer displays. Apple already have the 15" Retina MacBook Pro out with a 2880x1800 16:10 display. At 100%, S RAW won't fill that screen. It's only a matter of time before there's a 27" Retina display with an expected 5120x2880, and as this display technology becomes more mainstream, Windows will get native support for it too.

While you can rightly argue only a select few have this technology now, don't you want the moments you're capturing to stand the test of time?
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2013, 06:04:58 PM »
Why invest in a full frame, 20 megapixel camera if you don't take advantage of it?
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2013, 06:08:27 PM »
Shoot full RAW, the camera shoots at full RAW then downsizes to medium or small, wasting proccesing time.

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2013, 06:54:42 PM »
+1 on full sized RAW, and investing in storage.

One way to take the sting out of it is to be more aggressive with culling your image files. It took me a long time to realize that I would never, ever utilize any of those garbage shots. [Unless they are of a UFO or Sasquatch, which are legally required to be of grotesque quality].

Use all the image quality your equipment can give you, then be realistic about what you keep.

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2013, 06:58:12 PM »
+1 on full sized RAW, and investing in storage.

One way to take the sting out of it is to be more aggressive with culling your image files. It took me a long time to realize that I would never, ever utilize any of those garbage shots. [Unless they are of a UFO or Sasquatch, which are legally required to be of grotesque quality].

Use all the image quality your equipment can give you, then be realistic about what you keep.

Very much agree with this. Sometimes it takes me a month or two to get to a series of shots (too long, really), but I have learned to do a LOT of culling.
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2013, 07:09:40 PM »
In my opinion, this is really a question about memory card capacity in the camera, not on your computer. Just because you shoot the RAWs doesn't mean you have to keep them.

I would shoot in full RAW, discarding the files I don't want to keep (or keep JPEG copies). That way, if I happen to get a spectacular shot, or a shot that's just right but the exposure or white balance is a little off, or a shot I actually do want to print large, I can take advantage of the full, lossless RAW file.

Depending on your keeper rate, this strategy could be a hassle, but I always like knowing I've got the best I can get when I manage to produce an excellent photograph. One way to speed up the process, if you have a low keeper rate (or a low rate of wanting to take advantage of the RAW file) is to simply save the few you want to keep in a different location. Then sort the other files by file type, select the remaining .CR2 files, and delete them.

By the way, Full HD (1920x1080), printed at 300dpi will make only about a 6.4" x 3.6" print. ???

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »
I am also in the “Aggressive Deletion” camp. Shoot Full Raw, and learn to judge your own work.  Find the shots with potential, and then delete the rest.  This has multiple benefits. It will save space now, it will save time in the future, it will make you more critical of your own work which I believe will make you a better photographer. If you do that and space is still an issue, then I would recommend processing your keepers to JPEG then archive the RAW files to another drive.

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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2013, 07:37:18 PM »
Multi TB drives are relatively cheap compared to the cost of a camera and lenses.  You paid a lot to get high quality images, so don't downgrade them.  Spend $100 and get a large hard drive.
Shoot at 100%.  I'd only reduce the size if I got caught without enough memory card capacity, but that's not likely to happen.
 
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Re: What size RAW should I shoot at?
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