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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 06:48:28 PM »
"12 fps is possible – target is 10" ... impressive.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 06:48:28 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 06:52:23 PM »
Here's hoping the new 20.2mp APS-C sensor has honest RAW IQ improvements over the old 18 mp one  :-\

It'll be the same sensor that the 70D has...

Based on past history we will likely see the 70D 20mp sensor used for all crop sensors for the next 3-4 years.  JPEG shooters may see incremental improvements during this period but RAW output won't change.

And during the same period of time, Nikon/Sony APS-C cameras will have moved to 30MP (or more) with about the same IQ as the Canon 20MP sensor.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 06:58:46 PM »
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  • Video features are said to be limited by marketing (or by Magic Lantern)

To me, this is the most interesting part of the rumour. What's not clear is if the limitations are going to be software or hardware. If it is the latter then the problem has become that ML can deliver firmware that is seen by Canon to turn a cheap camera into something that can compete with the expensive ones (the EOS-C series - Cx00, 1DC.) Thus future ML firmware for the 7D2 may be able to deliver new features but it won't be able to deliver (say) RAW 4k video. If the video features are simply software limitations from marketing to prevent competition with the EOS-C series then it will be interesting to see what ML can do with it...

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2013, 07:12:21 PM »
Here's hoping the new 20.2mp APS-C sensor has honest RAW IQ improvements over the old 18 mp one  :-\

It'll be the same sensor that the 70D has...

Based on past history we will likely see the 70D 20mp sensor used for all crop sensors for the next 3-4 years.  JPEG shooters may see incremental improvements during this period but RAW output won't change.

And during the same period of time, Nikon/Sony APS-C cameras will have moved to 30MP (or more) with about the same IQ as the Canon 20MP sensor.

I am not arguing for more megapixels, but the competition will have a field day from a perception standpoint.  Sony had a 24 MP APS-C rig... what -- three or four years ago?  It's all but assured that a 30+ MP APS-C rig is coming from someone before the 7D2 is available. 

I still am not buying the rumor that the 70D sensor is the same as the 7D2 sensor.  That only would have made sense if the 7D2 came out considerably in advance of the 70D, and that ship has sailed.   Why a lower trimline body would get such a vital core IQ component that a far better product will get a year later makes no sense at all.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2013, 07:21:27 PM »
I still am not buying the rumor that the 70D sensor is the same as the 7D2 sensor.  That only would have made sense if the 7D2 came out considerably in advance of the 70D, and that ship has sailed.   Why a lower trimline body would get such a vital core IQ component that a far better product will get a year later makes no sense at all.

Ditto. It doesn't seem logical for Canon to release a 7D II that didn't bring with it an entirely new set of technology, sensor included, continuing the trend started with the original 7D (do we start calling it the 7Dc for Classic, now? ;P) I also think that, whatever megapixel count is has...18mp, 20mp, or 24mp...the 7D II sensor really needs to shine. It needs to produce IQ better than the 7D and 70D that preceeded it. It needs to demonstrate Canon is still interested in their customers needs, and still capable of competing in a sensor fabrication environment riddled with far more competition and innovation than ever seen in the past.

(Not to mention the fact that a Canon employee mentioned in a DPR interview that they would be doing something interesting and innovative with the 7D II sensor not long ago.)

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2013, 07:59:23 PM »
I still am not buying the rumor that the 70D sensor is the same as the 7D2 sensor.  That only would have made sense if the 7D2 came out considerably in advance of the 70D, and that ship has sailed.   Why a lower trimline body would get such a vital core IQ component that a far better product will get a year later makes no sense at all.

Ditto. It doesn't seem logical for Canon to release a 7D II that didn't bring with it an entirely new set of technology, sensor included, continuing the trend started with the original 7D (do we start calling it the 7Dc for Classic, now? ;P) I also think that, whatever megapixel count is has...18mp, 20mp, or 24mp...the 7D II sensor really needs to shine. It needs to produce IQ better than the 7D and 70D that preceeded it. It needs to demonstrate Canon is still interested in their customers needs, and still capable of competing in a sensor fabrication environment riddled with far more competition and innovation than ever seen in the past.

(Not to mention the fact that a Canon employee mentioned in a DPR interview that they would be doing something interesting and innovative with the 7D II sensor not long ago.)

Double ditto.  Makes complete sense, and I hope it's true the 7DmkII will be achieving a new / better Canon APS-C sensor.

Additionally, if the AF specs at the top of this thread are accurate, that is impressive.  Holding out for a great new 7DmkII to be king of the APS-C field, as the 7D was in its day.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 08:08:42 PM »
I still am not buying the rumor that the 70D sensor is the same as the 7D2 sensor...

Ditto. It doesn't seem logical for Canon to release a 7D II that didn't bring with it an entirely new set of technology, sensor included, continuing the trend started with the original 7D (do we start calling it the 7Dc for Classic, now? ;P) ...

Double ditto.  Makes complete sense, and I hope it's true the 7DmkII will be achieving a new / better Canon APS-C sensor.

Additionally, if the AF specs at the top of this thread are accurate, that is impressive.  Holding out for a great new 7DmkII to be king of the APS-C field, as the 7D was in its day.

I still love my 7D.

Paul

Triple ditto? 

Well anyway, I'm sticking to my theory. If Nikon rolls out the D400 in the next two months, I think we may see the 70D sensor in the 7D. If Nikon does nothing in the fall and Canon holds off until sometime in 2014, I think the odds of a shiny new sensor go up significantly.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 08:08:42 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2013, 08:19:35 PM »
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as a 60D owner who is into wildlife photography, this is a worthy upgrade!

The 7D and 50D are upgrades to the 60D (especially for wildlife), and they're here now.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
Unless, 7D II has super battery - I just don't see 12fps. It will be slower than 1D X. 10fps is fast enough for outdoor sports camera

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1. 10fps
2. 51-61pts AF system
3. Solid body
4. Half stop better in high ISO over current crop cameras - useable at 1600ISO
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2013, 08:36:21 PM »
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as a 60D owner who is into wildlife photography, this is a worthy upgrade!

The 7D and 50D are upgrades to the 60D (especially for wildlife), and they're here now.
Agreed, but I tend to wait a few models between upgrades....
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2013, 09:07:32 PM »
Unless, 7D II has super battery - I just don't see 12fps. It will be slower than 1D X. 10fps is fast enough for outdoor sports camera

My take:
1. 10fps
2. 51-61pts AF system
3. Solid body
4. Half stop better in high ISO over current crop cameras - useable at 1600ISO

That would only be enough for me to upgrade IFF the IQ is better, inclusive of fixing the noisy sky issue.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2013, 09:24:16 PM »
Video features limited? I was hoping that this would be a 5D3 Lite in terms of video, with the new dual pixel AF. Why limit its video when it's clearly supposed to be better than the 70D and in a higher bracket? Unless of course by "limited" they mean it's much better than the 70D but crippled to be worse than the 5D3 as to not kill its own market. Here's hoping for the best...

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2013, 09:30:35 PM »
Unless, 7D II has super battery - I just don't see 12fps. It will be slower than 1D X. 10fps is fast enough for outdoor sports camera

Unless it was in a 1DX style body. Using the same LP-E4N battery too.
So basically a 1DX just changed from a FF to a APS-C Sensor.


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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2013, 09:30:35 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2013, 09:51:18 PM »
Well anyway, I'm sticking to my theory. If Nikon rolls out the D400 in the next two months, I think we may see the 70D sensor in the 7D. If Nikon does nothing in the fall and Canon holds off until sometime in 2014, I think the odds of a shiny new sensor go up significantly.

I've always assumed that different components reach readiness at intervals.  The current test-version of the 7D2 may well have the 70D's sensor in it because that's the best/closest thing they've got to the final sensor they will ultimately put in it.  I certainly agree: it would be surprising, even given the history of the 18MP sensor, to have a 7D2 come out with a year-old sensor in late 2014.  But they have to be ready to respond to a D400 if it comes out soon.


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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 09:57:35 PM »
That's a good spec list. I'll have one. My 1D4 is getting tired. You can be sure the sensor performance will be a significant upgrade on the 7D & incrementally improved on the 70D. It's the AF specs and the FPS specs that grab my attention.

Just a release date now please...

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 09:57:35 PM »