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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2013, 03:46:44 AM »
This is an interesting post. The other 7Dll post is not dead yet and is at page 18. I wonder how many posts will be started
before there is something more realistic than these sporadic faint hope posts. We will all be shooting with full frame and
won't care when new crop cameras are released. I haven't tired of my gear yet to upgrade anything so will coast along
improving my pics and reading new posts that are informative.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2013, 03:46:44 AM »

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« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2013, 03:04:45 PM »
Of course this entire source could be some random whatever. But "I asked about the video and was told that the new sensor can easily best the C100/500, but won't be allowed to."  Nice. As soon as they realize they have something big they go an squander it. Maybe in the 5D3 video pipeline they actually DO apply a Gaussian blur at some stage. How else to explain why the RAW liveview feed is 10x crisper than even clean HDMI uncompressed out?

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« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2013, 06:31:15 PM »
Of course this entire source could be some random whatever. But "I asked about the video and was told that the new sensor can easily best the C100/500, but won't be allowed to."  Nice. As soon as they realize they have something big they go an squander it. Maybe in the 5D3 video pipeline they actually DO apply a Gaussian blur at some stage. How else to explain why the RAW liveview feed is 10x crisper than even clean HDMI uncompressed out?

Aye...its very curious. The fact that ML managed RAW output, yet Canon decided to skip it, also speaks volumes in and of itself. Canon could be trouncing the entire market...I wonder why they don't.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2013, 07:47:29 PM »
I'm not that particularly thrilled with the 7DII leaked specs. I think it's a camera I'll pass on and stick to my 5DIII's. Iso ability at 2 stops below a 5DIII? Nah....Same DR as all the other current Canon chips....double Nah!

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« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2013, 09:35:03 PM »
I'm sure Canon is looking closely at the feedback of the Semi and Pro community on the 70D tech. What I am looking for is an electronic viewfinder, ideally an On/Off scenario where the mirror could be locked up and an electronic viewfinder would allow for a constant view of the subject during rapid fire shooting. 10-12 fps is almost useless when you loose sight of the subject.
I'm not looking for these features in a full frame either, the 1.6 crop allows my 70-200 to be a lighter weight 320mm zoom and this is something Canon cannot make. Secondly I'm hand holding down to an 10th of a second for some shots and that is something you cannot do on a full frame.
I could go on but the point is that the tech is now here to do these things and my 7D is way over it's rated shutter count and I want a replacement. PLEASE!

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« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2013, 12:46:24 PM »
My two cents...I think Canon is being very cautious with a potential 7D successor, so that it will not cut into their 1Dx profits.  If a 7D II has 10FPS and the same basic AF as the 1Dx/5D III, I can foresee many sports pros getting one and possibly ditching the 1Dx or those still using a 1D IV will skip over a 1Dx all together.  The same might apply to the wildlife crowd. 

I know for myself, that if a 7D II is released with the same 5D III AF (sans the f/8AF) and 10FPS, I would seriously consider selling my 1Dx.  There is very little that would keep me from selling the 1Dx and 'hopefully' pocketing some good chunk of change ($$). 

The only feature that might not make it to a 7D II are:

1.  f/8 AF
2.  AF point tied spot metering
3.  1D type body with larger battery and therefore faster AF on certain lenses like the 85mm f/1.2.
4.  Slightly more weather sealing
5.  Higher rated shutter life
6.  The two programmable buttons

I might be missing some, but those are the ones that come to mind.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2013, 05:44:44 PM »
sure. because 7D2 will bring FF features to the table as well, superior ISO on par with 1dx and overall IQ. oh yea, we must not forget more rugged body and high shutter life count. AF as well..











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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2013, 05:44:44 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2013, 10:20:16 PM »
I'm sure Canon is looking closely at the feedback of the Semi and Pro community on the 70D tech. What I am looking for is an electronic viewfinder, ideally an On/Off scenario where the mirror could be locked up and an electronic viewfinder would allow for a constant view of the subject during rapid fire shooting. 10-12 fps is almost useless when you loose sight of the subject.

That's exactly what live view on a DSLR already does.  What's the benefit of an EVF when you already have a perfectly good rear screen?  Also, if you have an EVF, you don't have a mirror, hence the reason we call those mirrorless cameras.  :)

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2013, 08:22:02 AM »
I'm sure Canon is looking closely at the feedback of the Semi and Pro community on the 70D tech. What I am looking for is an electronic viewfinder, ideally an On/Off scenario where the mirror could be locked up and an electronic viewfinder would allow for a constant view of the subject during rapid fire shooting. 10-12 fps is almost useless when you loose sight of the subject.

That's exactly what live view on a DSLR already does.  What's the benefit of an EVF when you already have a perfectly good rear screen?  Also, if you have an EVF, you don't have a mirror, hence the reason we call those mirrorless cameras.  :)

A view finder, OVF or EVF, is much easier to use in bright sunlight and for many people having a camera "stuck" to your face is a lot more stable than out at arms length.  There are real benefits to either of these over the back LCD.

The quoted post talks about sliding/rotating a display into the OVF light path when you want EVF capabilities.  This would potentially give you the best of both worlds in a single camera.  OVF when you want it, EVF when you want it.  I've been thinking about this myself.  I doubt there are any technical reasons why this could not be done.  Squeezing it in to a current body design and making it cost effective might stand in the way.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2013, 12:54:49 PM »
My two cents...I think Canon is being very cautious with a potential 7D successor, so that it will not cut into their 1Dx profits.  If a 7D II has 10FPS and the same basic AF as the 1Dx/5D III, I can foresee many sports pros getting one and possibly ditching the 1Dx or those still using a 1D IV will skip over a 1Dx all together.  The same might apply to the wildlife crowd. 

I know for myself, that if a 7D II is released with the same 5D III AF (sans the f/8AF) and 10FPS, I would seriously consider selling my 1Dx.  There is very little that would keep me from selling the 1Dx and 'hopefully' pocketing some good chunk of change ($$). 

The only feature that might not make it to a 7D II are:

1.  f/8 AF
2.  AF point tied spot metering
3.  1D type body with larger battery and therefore faster AF on certain lenses like the 85mm f/1.2.
4.  Slightly more weather sealing
5.  Higher rated shutter life
6.  The two programmable buttons

I might be missing some, but those are the ones that come to mind.

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Yep, that'll be about it Jason...although I seriously doubt that the per pixel quality of a 7DII will be anywhere near that of a 1Dx or even a 5DIII. The files from the old 7D are the real weak point of the current camera and the high ISO ability is almost embarrassing in a modern context. Sure the 7DII can improve, but the recent 70D results weren't anything particularly impressive.

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« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2013, 08:36:43 AM »
Slightly different spec's form NL yesterday:

Some suggestions of a 20MP or 24MP 7D2 [CW]
~24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points)
High frame rate, 10-12 fps
“high grade” weather sealing, like Canon’s professional DSLRs
Dual Digic V+ processor
Single card slot
WiFi & GPS
Innovative video features
Price around $2000
Very good ISO performance
Looks to be broadly similar to what's been doing the rounds of late, although thats mostly been assuming a derivative of Canon's new 20MP dual pixel design.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7dmk2.html

Just hope, Canon remain at their 20-22 MP concerning the 5Ds...
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2013, 09:59:32 AM »
Slightly different spec's form NL yesterday:

Some suggestions of a 20MP or 24MP 7D2 [CW]
~24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points)
High frame rate, 10-12 fps
“high grade” weather sealing, like Canon’s professional DSLRs
Dual Digic V+ processor
Single card slot
WiFi & GPS
Innovative video features
Price around $2000
Very good ISO performance
Looks to be broadly similar to what's been doing the rounds of late, although thats mostly been assuming a derivative of Canon's new 20MP dual pixel design.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7dmk2.html

Just hope, Canon remain at their 20-22 MP concerning the 5Ds...



Looking at it again....that is an impressive improvement for a price around 2000 dollar
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2013, 03:11:50 PM »
sure. because 7D2 will bring FF features to the table as well, superior ISO on par with 1dx and overall IQ. oh yea, we must not forget more rugged body and high shutter life count. AF as well..
that will be the day

bollocks.

If they dropped the number of megapixels down to 5 or 6, they could have SUPERIOR ISO performance to the 1DX... but we can all guess how likely that is :) With the same level of technology FF will always have 1 1/3 stops advantage over APS-C. Keep in mind the marketing people talk about Jpeg images.... I have no problems that an out-of-camera Jpeg from a brand new design with newer algorithms and more computing power (7D2) will get close to that of an older design, like a 2 year old 1DX (and it will be two years old or more by the time a 7D2 is released). BUT!!!! Take the RAW image from the 1DX and process it like the 7D2 RAW image, and your stop or so FF advantage is back. Even if they came out with great advances in technology that moved the 7D2 to 1 stop (or the almost impossible 2/3 stop) away from the 1DX, by the time the 1DX2 comes out, that same technology would restore the 1 1/3 stop advantage of FF, or if more advances have been made, make the gap wider.

And as far as shutter count life goes, don't forget that an APS-C shutter is smaller and lighter than a FF shutter. If all else was equal, it should be faster and last longer than an equivalently built FF shutter..... so yes, I CAN believe an 7D shutter that lasts as long as a 1DX shutter.

Weatherproofing? The only competition the 7D has in the Canon lineup is the 1DX, so having a 7D2 come close to a 1DX is reasonable.

FPS? The 60D and the 5D2 came out around the same time.... guess which one had more FPS? Heck, the 60D at 5.9 is almost as good as a 5D3 at 6.0....
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« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2013, 03:11:50 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2013, 04:19:15 PM »
60D has 5.3 FPS, but I understand. doesnt the 5D3 offer same or better weather proofing as the 7D?

and i am surprised how well 7D's RAW images look, even up to 6400 ISO in comparison with the "beta" 70D.

















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« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2013, 04:23:03 PM »
7D's JPEGs are awful though for today's standards.

















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