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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2013, 08:22:02 AM »
I'm sure Canon is looking closely at the feedback of the Semi and Pro community on the 70D tech. What I am looking for is an electronic viewfinder, ideally an On/Off scenario where the mirror could be locked up and an electronic viewfinder would allow for a constant view of the subject during rapid fire shooting. 10-12 fps is almost useless when you loose sight of the subject.

That's exactly what live view on a DSLR already does.  What's the benefit of an EVF when you already have a perfectly good rear screen?  Also, if you have an EVF, you don't have a mirror, hence the reason we call those mirrorless cameras.  :)

A view finder, OVF or EVF, is much easier to use in bright sunlight and for many people having a camera "stuck" to your face is a lot more stable than out at arms length.  There are real benefits to either of these over the back LCD.

The quoted post talks about sliding/rotating a display into the OVF light path when you want EVF capabilities.  This would potentially give you the best of both worlds in a single camera.  OVF when you want it, EVF when you want it.  I've been thinking about this myself.  I doubt there are any technical reasons why this could not be done.  Squeezing it in to a current body design and making it cost effective might stand in the way.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2013, 08:22:02 AM »

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« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2013, 12:54:49 PM »
My two cents...I think Canon is being very cautious with a potential 7D successor, so that it will not cut into their 1Dx profits.  If a 7D II has 10FPS and the same basic AF as the 1Dx/5D III, I can foresee many sports pros getting one and possibly ditching the 1Dx or those still using a 1D IV will skip over a 1Dx all together.  The same might apply to the wildlife crowd. 

I know for myself, that if a 7D II is released with the same 5D III AF (sans the f/8AF) and 10FPS, I would seriously consider selling my 1Dx.  There is very little that would keep me from selling the 1Dx and 'hopefully' pocketing some good chunk of change ($$). 

The only feature that might not make it to a 7D II are:

1.  f/8 AF
2.  AF point tied spot metering
3.  1D type body with larger battery and therefore faster AF on certain lenses like the 85mm f/1.2.
4.  Slightly more weather sealing
5.  Higher rated shutter life
6.  The two programmable buttons

I might be missing some, but those are the ones that come to mind.

--Jason

Yep, that'll be about it Jason...although I seriously doubt that the per pixel quality of a 7DII will be anywhere near that of a 1Dx or even a 5DIII. The files from the old 7D are the real weak point of the current camera and the high ISO ability is almost embarrassing in a modern context. Sure the 7DII can improve, but the recent 70D results weren't anything particularly impressive.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2013, 08:36:43 AM »
Slightly different spec's form NL yesterday:

Some suggestions of a 20MP or 24MP 7D2 [CW]
~24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points)
High frame rate, 10-12 fps
“high grade” weather sealing, like Canon’s professional DSLRs
Dual Digic V+ processor
Single card slot
WiFi & GPS
Innovative video features
Price around $2000
Very good ISO performance
Looks to be broadly similar to what's been doing the rounds of late, although thats mostly been assuming a derivative of Canon's new 20MP dual pixel design.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7dmk2.html

Just hope, Canon remain at their 20-22 MP concerning the 5Ds...
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2013, 09:59:32 AM »
Slightly different spec's form NL yesterday:

Some suggestions of a 20MP or 24MP 7D2 [CW]
~24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points)
High frame rate, 10-12 fps
“high grade” weather sealing, like Canon’s professional DSLRs
Dual Digic V+ processor
Single card slot
WiFi & GPS
Innovative video features
Price around $2000
Very good ISO performance
Looks to be broadly similar to what's been doing the rounds of late, although thats mostly been assuming a derivative of Canon's new 20MP dual pixel design.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7dmk2.html

Just hope, Canon remain at their 20-22 MP concerning the 5Ds...


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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2013, 03:11:50 PM »
sure. because 7D2 will bring FF features to the table as well, superior ISO on par with 1dx and overall IQ. oh yea, we must not forget more rugged body and high shutter life count. AF as well..
that will be the day

bollocks.

If they dropped the number of megapixels down to 5 or 6, they could have SUPERIOR ISO performance to the 1DX... but we can all guess how likely that is :) With the same level of technology FF will always have 1 1/3 stops advantage over APS-C. Keep in mind the marketing people talk about Jpeg images.... I have no problems that an out-of-camera Jpeg from a brand new design with newer algorithms and more computing power (7D2) will get close to that of an older design, like a 2 year old 1DX (and it will be two years old or more by the time a 7D2 is released). BUT!!!! Take the RAW image from the 1DX and process it like the 7D2 RAW image, and your stop or so FF advantage is back. Even if they came out with great advances in technology that moved the 7D2 to 1 stop (or the almost impossible 2/3 stop) away from the 1DX, by the time the 1DX2 comes out, that same technology would restore the 1 1/3 stop advantage of FF, or if more advances have been made, make the gap wider.

And as far as shutter count life goes, don't forget that an APS-C shutter is smaller and lighter than a FF shutter. If all else was equal, it should be faster and last longer than an equivalently built FF shutter..... so yes, I CAN believe an 7D shutter that lasts as long as a 1DX shutter.

Weatherproofing? The only competition the 7D has in the Canon lineup is the 1DX, so having a 7D2 come close to a 1DX is reasonable.

FPS? The 60D and the 5D2 came out around the same time.... guess which one had more FPS? Heck, the 60D at 5.9 is almost as good as a 5D3 at 6.0....
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2013, 04:19:15 PM »
60D has 5.3 FPS, but I understand. doesnt the 5D3 offer same or better weather proofing as the 7D?

and i am surprised how well 7D's RAW images look, even up to 6400 ISO in comparison with the "beta" 70D.

















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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2013, 04:23:03 PM »
7D's JPEGs are awful though for today's standards.

















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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2013, 04:23:03 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
I am pleased to see that the 70D has improved in sharpness relative to the 7D. The 7D did always have soft JPEG output. It also has an AA filter that actually does the job it was tasked to do...eliminate moire. I would be curious to know how much moire the 70D has, and if it is a worthwhile cost to the improvement in sharpness.

If sensors of modern pixel pitches resolved enough spatial resolution to avoid color moire, then weakening the AA filter would be fine. But Canon keeps updating their lenses to resolve more than their latest sensors...so AA filters are still needed. Personally I am not a real fan of an overly weak AA filter, and particularly not of eliminating the AA filter at all (at least, not unless it is just an option...some types of photography definitely benefit from the lack of an AA filter.)

I do have to say, though...those crop cameras don't compare to that really clean low-noise output of the FF 6D. If I had seven grand I thought I could part with, I'd buy a 1D X in a heartbeat. :P

60D has 5.3 FPS, but I understand. doesnt the 5D3 offer same or better weather proofing as the 7D?

and i am surprised how well 7D's RAW images look, even up to 6400 ISO in comparison with the "beta" 70D.


















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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2013, 12:51:02 AM »
It also has an AA filter that actually does the job it was tasked to do...eliminate moire.

To be more precise, the Anti-aliasing filter is designed to eliminate ... aliasing. Moire, color or not, is s special case of aliasing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2013, 04:57:00 AM »


If they dropped the number of megapixels down to 5 or 6, they could have SUPERIOR ISO performance to the 1DX... but we can all guess how likely that is :) With the same level of technology FF will always have 1 1/3 stops advantage over APS-C. Keep in mind the marketing people talk about Jpeg images.... I have no problems that an out-of-camera Jpeg from a brand new design with newer algorithms and more computing power (7D2) will get close to that of an older design, like a 2 year old 1DX (and it will be two years old or more by the time a 7D2 is released). BUT!!!! Take the RAW image from the 1DX and process it like the 7D2 RAW image, and your stop or so FF advantage is back. Even if they came out with great advances in technology that moved the 7D2 to 1 stop (or the almost impossible 2/3 stop) away from the 1DX, by the time the 1DX2 comes out, that same technology would restore the 1 1/3 stop advantage of FF, or if more advances have been made, make the gap wider.

And as far as shutter count life goes, don't forget that an APS-C shutter is smaller and lighter than a FF shutter. If all else was equal, it should be faster and last longer than an equivalently built FF shutter..... so yes, I CAN believe an 7D shutter that lasts as long as a 1DX shutter.

Weatherproofing? The only competition the 7D has in the Canon lineup is the 1DX, so having a 7D2 come close to a 1DX is reasonable.

FPS? The 60D and the 5D2 came out around the same time.... guess which one had more FPS? Heck, the 60D at 5.9 is almost as good as a 5D3 at 6.0....


So I just hope, Canon keep the MPs of their 5Ds in the 22 MP range or might they switch to 24 MP with the next body? Looking forward to 25kish ISO 51200, or 12.8 to 16kish ISO 51.200 in the 5DV   8)
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2013, 09:20:31 AM »
Oh look ma, the pixel peepers are back. Serious photographers can leave now.

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« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2013, 09:47:26 AM »
Oh look ma, the pixel peepers are back. Serious photographers can leave now.

@tnargs: not pickle peepin at all, mate. as it is clear that less megapickels are crucial for high ISO IQ. look at my flickr and you know what I mean. That's among others a certain factor which puts the 1Dx above the 5DIII in high ISO IQ.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2013, 10:18:44 AM »
I'dtake low MP and higher ISO. Mini 1Dx would be ideal, but I think that would be a different camera and a much higher price pt

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« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2013, 10:18:44 AM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2013, 11:50:41 AM »
It also has an AA filter that actually does the job it was tasked to do...eliminate moire.

To be more precise, the Anti-aliasing filter is designed to eliminate ... aliasing. Moire, color or not, is s special case of aliasing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing

True, however aliasing in all its forms is not always a severe issue. Color moire, on the other hand, and moire in general, is a pretty severe problem with no real easy post-processing solution outside of manual correction on a per-instance basis...and even then, the solutions are not great. To take one of  your own examples, the photo of the girl with a Foveon...I thought that photo was crisply sharp. It was aliased in a couple places, however it where aliasing occurred, it did not look any significantly worse than the kind of aliasing you get with the D800 in similar circumstances. A photo of a bird with moire, or a photo of a person with moire in the fabric of their clothing, etc. are pretty horrible problems that cannot really be fixed.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2013, 12:28:18 PM »
True, however aliasing in all its forms is not always a severe issue. Color moire, on the other hand, and moire in general, is a pretty severe problem with no real easy post-processing solution outside of manual correction on a per-instance basis...and even then, the solutions are not great. To take one of  your own examples, the photo of the girl with a Foveon...I thought that photo was crisply sharp. It was aliased in a couple places, however it where aliasing occurred, it did not look any significantly worse than the kind of aliasing you get with the D800 in similar circumstances. A photo of a bird with moire, or a photo of a person with moire in the fabric of their clothing, etc. are pretty horrible problems that cannot really be fixed.

Aliasing cannot "be fixed", moire or not (it is a theorem). For example, the Sigma photo I posted is ruined. Who likes what is a matter of personal preference. Some like aliased images, some do not. But when you don't, you cannot "fix" them.

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« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2013, 12:28:18 PM »