October 21, 2014, 11:10:05 AM

Author Topic: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo  (Read 9846 times)

hionhifi

  • SX60 HS
  • **
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« on: August 12, 2013, 01:15:39 AM »
I recently got the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM to go with my EOS M. I used the Canon EOS M to EF Adapter to connect the Sigma to the EOS M. All functions worked as promised, auto-focus, exposure and everything else.

I took the couple with me to the a trade show this weekend to see how the pair performed together. Going into it I had a lot of questions about the pair. Would it be to heavy or front heavy? Would it be difficult to handle? How's the image quality indoors in really low light.

Here are the answers to the questions about.
Quote
Would it be to heavy or front heavy?
It was an enjoyable experience. I'm not sure if it was just because I had a new toy to play with that I didn't recognize the hefty lens or what but it didn't feel too heavy. It was obviously front heavy and you need to hold the whole package by the lens and using your other hand to steady and aim the EOS M. I used a Case Logic SLRC-205 SLR Camera Sling to carry everything and that worked very well indeed. I had easy access to the camera and it was well protected. Plus the sling gave me some pockets to store extra batteries and carry keys, money, etc.
Quote
Would it be difficult to handle?
The EOS M doesn't really have grip to speak off so I could not hold the package in one hand the way I might have been able to do with say a 60D.

Quote
How's the image quality indoors in really low light.
With the speed of the lens, I was able to take pictures in some really low light situations keeping the ISO down around 3200. Image quality was good up to 3200, at 6400, noise was egregious.

Overall I'm happy with the EOS M/Sigma package. It beat my Panasonic DMC-G6 m/43 camera which I took to the show as well. I was testing the Panasonic DMC-G6 to see if it could replace the EOS M. The Panasonic G6 has a ton of features, WiFi, NFC, Time-Lapse, Stop Motion, Flip-out screen, awesome EVF, and it's lighter. No, scratch that, it's a ton lighter, like "one handed carry all day without issues lighter!" While the G6 has all the features when it comes to image quality, the EOS M/Sigma has it beat in every image quality metric; better colors, lower noise, better high (<6400) ISO performance, etc. In terms of image quality, the EOS M/Sigma combo ate the Panasonic for lunch in low light by 1 stop, but in bright light, the race was a dead heat.

I'll probably keep the EOS M and lens since I can pair it with the upcoming 70D. I plan to get one when it comes out. Then keep the EOS M as my travel and back up camera.

Here are a few pics.

[/URL]
[/URL]
[/URL]
[/URL]
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 02:16:28 PM by hionhifi »

canon rumors FORUM

EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« on: August 12, 2013, 01:15:39 AM »

drjlo

  • 5D Mark III
  • ******
  • Posts: 641
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 11:22:18 PM »
Could you post some portraits at 35 mm end at f/1.8?  Wondering about bokeh and portrait presentation of this combo, which I have been thinking about but appears just too big for the "portable" purpose I bought the EOS-M for..

hionhifi

  • SX60 HS
  • **
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2013, 05:32:59 PM »
Could you post some portraits at 35 mm end at f/1.8?  Wondering about bokeh and portrait presentation of this combo, which I have been thinking about but appears just too big for the "portable" purpose I bought the EOS-M for..
Sure, I can take a couple pics for you. I'll get my son to model for me. Check back later tonight.

Canon hit the nail on the head with the EOS M. Sure it has some niggles, like no cool features like Panorama, Time Lapse, and no flip out screen, and viewfinder, so there is love lost there. For my purposes though it still does swell. It's a highly portable package that can be used as a professional tool as well with the EOS M to EF adapter attached. It gives an EOS M owner an instant lens library and portability when they want it. In operation however, none of the nice to have features trump having proven excellent image quality and video acumen in the same body. That is where the Canon still holds court.

When I want to go portable, I load up the 22mm, f2, and 18-55mm EOS M lens. When I'm doing more professional work I'll pack the big boy combo (Sigma 18-35mm and the Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 EX DC OS HSM). Most the bases I need covered are covered with the above combos. I'll get those pics for you.

hionhifi

  • SX60 HS
  • **
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 09:03:12 PM »
Could you post some portraits at 35 mm end at f/1.8?  Wondering about bokeh and portrait presentation of this combo, which I have been thinking about but appears just too big for the "portable" purpose I bought the EOS-M for..

Here ya go.
Pic1 35mm, f1.8, 1/4000sec, iso100


Pic1 18mm, f1.8, 1/4000sec, iso100


Pic1 35mm, f1.8, 1/4000sec, iso100

drjlo

  • 5D Mark III
  • ******
  • Posts: 641
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2013, 12:35:46 AM »
Thanks.  35 mm at f1.8 definitely has more pleasing background than the 22 mm at f/2.  I am, of course, spoiled by my 50L and 85L as far as bokeh..

hionhifi

  • SX60 HS
  • **
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 11:32:41 AM »
Thanks.  35 mm at f1.8 definitely has more pleasing background than the 22 mm at f/2.  I am, of course, spoiled by my 50L and 85L as far as bokeh..
The 22mm is nice too, but your right, the bokeh @ 35mm, f1.8 is better.

Dylan777

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 4189
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 09:21:46 AM »
This always give me a good laugh ;D

I rather carry my 5D III + 40pancake.
Body: 1DX -- 5D III
Zoom: 16-35L f4 IS -- 24-70L II -- 70-200L f2.8 IS II
Prime: 40mm -- 85L II -- 135L -- 200L f2 IS -- 400L f2.8 IS II

canon rumors FORUM

Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 09:21:46 AM »

tomscott

  • 5D Mark III
  • ******
  • Posts: 649
  • Graphic Designer & Photographer
    • View Profile
    • Tom Scott | Photography
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 10:42:26 AM »
Yep seems pretty silly to me.

Although im sure a good performer.
5D MKIII 40D 17-55mm F2.8 IS 16-35mm F2.8 II L 24-70mm F2.8 L 24-105mm F4 IS L 100mm F2.8 IS L 70-200mm F2.8 IS II L 70-300mm F4-5.6 IS L 50mm F1.8 2x Ex 580EX

DRR

  • EOS M2
  • ****
  • Posts: 168
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 11:55:13 AM »
A small mirrorless camera with a large lens does look silly at first but after using one for a while, it becomes quiet natural once you open your mind to the possibility.

Most of us are used to holding a larger SLR body, which is often heavier than the lens (in most handheld cases anyway) and controlling functions with the right hand. Left hand to focus and/or zoom.

I use my EOS M with the adapter and my 24-70 and 16-35 quite a bit, and at first it was very awkward. But then I started holding it a bit differently, instead of holding the weight in my right hand (as in a SLR) I started holding the weight in my left hand (supporting the lens, which is now the heaviest part).

Holding the weight in my left hand still allows me two fingers to zoom and focus. Additionally, the right hand is freed to control the camera settings on the touchscreen. If you try to hold a mirrorless like an SLR, your right hand is holding the weight, your left hand is holding the lens, and you don't have a third hand to change shutter/aperture or other settings.

With my method, which is only a slight adjustment, you have all the hands you need to quickly and efficiently get the shot.

It may still look funny, but with a little practice, it's easy to use a large lens on a small camera, with no ergonomic controls.


schill

  • Rebel T5i
  • ****
  • Posts: 114
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 12:15:45 PM »
I haven't found any issues holding the EOS-M with a large lens.  You just need to be used to supporting a lens with a camera hanging off the back instead of supporting a camera with a lens hanging off the front.

Most people who shoot with things like a 70-200 or longer lens are probably used to having their left hand under the lens, supporting the weight, and using the right hand to operate most of the camera controls and stabilize the whole thing.  It can be very awkward and less stable to have the center of gravity of the camera/lens forward of where you are supporting the weight.

It feels more natural to me to support the weight under the lens.  When I shoot with the 40mm pancake on my 7D my left hand doesn't know what to do. :)

Dylan777

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 4189
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 11:27:09 PM »
I haven't found any issues holding the EOS-M with a large lens.  You just need to be used to supporting a lens with a camera hanging off the back instead of supporting a camera with a lens hanging off the front.

Most people who shoot with things like a 70-200 or longer lens are probably used to having their left hand under the lens, supporting the weight, and using the right hand to operate most of the camera controls and stabilize the whole thing.  It can be very awkward and less stable to have the center of gravity of the camera/lens forward of where you are supporting the weight.

It feels more natural to me to support the weight under the lens.  When I shoot with the 40mm pancake on my 7D my left hand doesn't know what to do. :)
A small mirrorless camera with a large lens does look silly at first but after using one for a while, it becomes quiet natural once you open your mind to the possibility.

Most of us are used to holding a larger SLR body, which is often heavier than the lens (in most handheld cases anyway) and controlling functions with the right hand. Left hand to focus and/or zoom.

I use my EOS M with the adapter and my 24-70 and 16-35 quite a bit, and at first it was very awkward. But then I started holding it a bit differently, instead of holding the weight in my right hand (as in a SLR) I started holding the weight in my left hand (supporting the lens, which is now the heaviest part).

Holding the weight in my left hand still allows me two fingers to zoom and focus. Additionally, the right hand is freed to control the camera settings on the touchscreen. If you try to hold a mirrorless like an SLR, your right hand is holding the weight, your left hand is holding the lens, and you don't have a third hand to change shutter/aperture or other settings.

With my method, which is only a slight adjustment, you have all the hands you need to quickly and efficiently get the shot.

It may still look funny, but with a little practice, it's easy to use a large lens on a small camera, with no ergonomic controls.

I'll get use to it ::)
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 11:41:14 PM by Dylan777 »
Body: 1DX -- 5D III
Zoom: 16-35L f4 IS -- 24-70L II -- 70-200L f2.8 IS II
Prime: 40mm -- 85L II -- 135L -- 200L f2 IS -- 400L f2.8 IS II

neech7

  • PowerShot G1 X II
  • ***
  • Posts: 44
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 05:39:49 AM »
I haven't found any issues holding the EOS-M with a large lens.  You just need to be used to supporting a lens with a camera hanging off the back instead of supporting a camera with a lens hanging off the front.

Most people who shoot with things like a 70-200 or longer lens are probably used to having their left hand under the lens, supporting the weight, and using the right hand to operate most of the camera controls and stabilize the whole thing.  It can be very awkward and less stable to have the center of gravity of the camera/lens forward of where you are supporting the weight.

It feels more natural to me to support the weight under the lens.  When I shoot with the 40mm pancake on my 7D my left hand doesn't know what to do. :)
A small mirrorless camera with a large lens does look silly at first but after using one for a while, it becomes quiet natural once you open your mind to the possibility.

Most of us are used to holding a larger SLR body, which is often heavier than the lens (in most handheld cases anyway) and controlling functions with the right hand. Left hand to focus and/or zoom.

I use my EOS M with the adapter and my 24-70 and 16-35 quite a bit, and at first it was very awkward. But then I started holding it a bit differently, instead of holding the weight in my right hand (as in a SLR) I started holding the weight in my left hand (supporting the lens, which is now the heaviest part).

Holding the weight in my left hand still allows me two fingers to zoom and focus. Additionally, the right hand is freed to control the camera settings on the touchscreen. If you try to hold a mirrorless like an SLR, your right hand is holding the weight, your left hand is holding the lens, and you don't have a third hand to change shutter/aperture or other settings.

With my method, which is only a slight adjustment, you have all the hands you need to quickly and efficiently get the shot.

It may still look funny, but with a little practice, it's easy to use a large lens on a small camera, with no ergonomic controls.

I'll get use to it ::)

At first I don't understand what's the big deal with people's amusement of mounting a big EF lens on the M, then I realize they just don't use a lens big enough to experience the same thing on a DSLR. I have a 70-200 2.8 II, and when mounted to a bigger DSLR like the 5D, you still end up mostly supporting the weight of the setup by holding the lens. So mounting the same lens to the M is no different.

Dylan777

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 4189
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 08:57:19 AM »


At first I don't understand what's the big deal with people's amusement of mounting a big EF lens on the M, then I realize they just don't use a lens big enough to experience the same thing on a DSLR. I have a 70-200 2.8 II, and when mounted to a bigger DSLR like the 5D, you still end up mostly supporting the weight of the setup by holding the lens. So mounting the same lens to the M is no different.

Then why are we giving up DSLR AF speed & tracking for mirrorless again? 
« Last Edit: August 23, 2013, 09:11:29 AM by Dylan777 »
Body: 1DX -- 5D III
Zoom: 16-35L f4 IS -- 24-70L II -- 70-200L f2.8 IS II
Prime: 40mm -- 85L II -- 135L -- 200L f2 IS -- 400L f2.8 IS II

canon rumors FORUM

Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 08:57:19 AM »

BL

  • Canon 6D
  • *****
  • Posts: 411
  • Great gear is good. Good technique is better.
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2013, 12:06:56 PM »
maybe for some of the reasons someone might prefer shooting with a 6D vs 5D III, or an SL1 vs 6D.

Canon gives me a lot of options, and I'm loving it! 
M, 5Dc, 1Dx, some lenses, a few lights

sdsr

  • 5D Mark III
  • ******
  • Posts: 685
    • View Profile
Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 01:43:54 PM »

At first I don't understand what's the big deal with people's amusement of mounting a big EF lens on the M, then I realize they just don't use a lens big enough to experience the same thing on a DSLR. I have a 70-200 2.8 II, and when mounted to a bigger DSLR like the 5D, you still end up mostly supporting the weight of the setup by holding the lens. So mounting the same lens to the M is no different.

What's different is that with a dslr (or any other camera with a viewfinder) you're holding the camera + lens against your face, which provides additional support/stability.  I dare say it's just a matter of what you're used to, but hand-holding a tiny camera + big heavy lens seems very awkward to me and likely to put a strain on even the best IS.  (And, of course, you haven't saved much weight or bulk in the process - you might as well use a dslr if you're going to attach a 70-200/300L etc...)  Even my EF-M 18-55 feels awkward and self-defeating to me on my M.  (It's also heavier than, and only half an inch shorter than, my Olympus 40-150 m43 lens - i.e. 80-300mm equiv. - and the same size and not much lighter than my Olympus 75mm 1.8.)

canon rumors FORUM

Re: EOS M / Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Combo
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 01:43:54 PM »