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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2013, 03:30:11 PM »
Think I have bought and sold and swapped between the 85 L and a 70200 six seven times. But indeed the AF just kills it for me with the 85.

I have bought a great portrait lens with great AF now, arriving tomorrow  :)
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2013, 03:30:11 PM »

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2013, 03:41:29 PM »
I use the 24-70II (and the 70-200II) a lot. But I also use the 35 f1.4 (Sigma) and the 85 1.2L II (and a few other primes) a lot also . The zoom is excellent and very practical. The volume production is done with the zooms. But I get this hard-to-describe feeling of being more creative with the primes. I think more, I move more, I spend more time on composition and framing etc. When I look back at a year´s shooting, when I´m going through all the images during Christmas break, it´s almost always pictures shot with the primes that stand out.

So I will continue to look for improvements in newer versions of the various lenses (I hope a 85mm f1.2L IS III, with improved AF speed is next), but I will always have a combination of primes and zooms. For a zoom to make a prime obsolete would mean a 24-70 f1.4L IS, which I don´t believe I´ll ever see.
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2013, 03:43:05 PM »
Close focus, something I really like at wide angles, is apparently a problem for the 24-70 2.8 II.
But close focus is a strength of the 24 and 28 2.8 IS lenses, and probably also with the wide 1.4's
You are right, close focus on the 24-70mmL is poor at best.  Its awful.  Fortunately, my 100L is good for close focus.  My 24-105 which I've kept is also good at close focusing.
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2013, 03:56:14 PM »
I can't recall having used my 35mmL since I bought my 24-70L MK II.  I love the 35L, but with my 5D MK III, I can bump the ISO a stop or two easily enough.
 
I may still use it in some cases, but I'm beginning to think of parting with it.

Would that 35L on a 5D3 make for a good video lens for the camera?

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2013, 04:38:26 PM »
Close focus, something I really like at wide angles, is apparently a problem for the 24-70 2.8 II.
But close focus is a strength of the 24 and 28 2.8 IS lenses, and probably also with the wide 1.4's

I also read that before I bought it, it worried me. Haven't even thought about it until you mentioned it. I shoot up close but a non-issue for me. Try the 50 L up close  ::)

I don't use my 50 (1.4) up close, but I really like the perspective of a close subject in a broad environment on 24mm.  I may get the 24-70 2.8 II one day, but I am more interested in a 24 1.4 right now  :)

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2013, 04:40:23 PM »
Close focus, something I really like at wide angles, is apparently a problem for the 24-70 2.8 II.
But close focus is a strength of the 24 and 28 2.8 IS lenses, and probably also with the wide 1.4's
You are right, close focus on the 24-70mmL is poor at best.  Its awful.  Fortunately, my 100L is good for close focus.  My 24-105 which I've kept is also good at close focusing.
There is never a perfect lens.

How close can you go at 24 mm on the 24-70?
It's mostly in the wide that I need to focus close

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2013, 04:55:04 PM »
Close focus, something I really like at wide angles, is apparently a problem for the 24-70 2.8 II.
But close focus is a strength of the 24 and 28 2.8 IS lenses, and probably also with the wide 1.4's
You are right, close focus on the 24-70mmL is poor at best.  Its awful.  Fortunately, my 100L is good for close focus.  My 24-105 which I've kept is also good at close focusing.
There is never a perfect lens.

How close can you go at 24 mm on the 24-70?
It's mostly in the wide that I need to focus close

The MFD of the 24-70 2.8 ii is 380 mm; at 24mm even a bit longer.
The MFD of the 24 1.4 ii is 210 mm

So close to a 2x difference
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2013, 04:55:04 PM »

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2013, 05:00:46 PM »
I had similar situation .
After buying 70-200mkii my 85Lmkii gathered dust for over a year. I sold the 85 and about a month later had a bad case of buyers remorse
But with 24-70mkii I was never tempted to sell the 35
The 35L just gets a look that the 24-70ii can't achieve.
I sold my 50/1.4 as the optics were in a lower class, but the 35L is my fave prime

Ouch :(

I hate the slow AF on my 85L II....however, everytimes I shoot portrait, 85L II is my 1st choice. The bokeh and sharpness are amazing. I hope newer version will be faster and lighter.

I should've said Sellers remorse there but think you got my drift...! :)

 With a baby in tow I found I was losing shots with the slow focus
On the odd occasion it worked,the results were fabulous...but I was losing too many shots
70-200ii was SO sharp and such fast focus,I loved it
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2013, 06:01:22 PM »
I had similar situation .
After buying 70-200mkii my 85Lmkii gathered dust for over a year. I sold the 85 and about a month later had a bad case of buyers remorse
But with 24-70mkii I was never tempted to sell the 35
The 35L just gets a look that the 24-70ii can't achieve.
I sold my 50/1.4 as the optics were in a lower class, but the 35L is my fave prime

Ouch :(

I hate the slow AF on my 85L II....however, everytimes I shoot portrait, 85L II is my 1st choice. The bokeh and sharpness are amazing. I hope newer version will be faster and lighter.

I should've said Sellers remorse there but think you got my drift...! :)

 With a baby in tow I found I was losing shots with the slow focus
On the odd occasion it worked,the results were fabulous...but I was losing too many shots
70-200ii was SO sharp and such fast focus,I loved it

I can imagine your remorse. The 'look' that you can achieve with the 85L is much more special than what you get with the 70-200 ii. I also agree that AF performance are worlds apart between these 2 lenses.
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2013, 06:48:02 PM »
I have had the 24-70/2.8 II for a couple of months and I realise now that I have not used the 35/1.4 since. Obviously an f1.4 can do things a f2.8 can't but is DOF really an issue for a wide lens? And I have the 5D MKIII so light/ISO is not that much of a problem either. I was just about to put the 35/1.4 up for sale but I simply can not make up my mind.... Opinions are more than welcome.

I sold my 35L about 2 weeks ago due to non use.  I just couldn't justify keeping it after I purchased my 24-70 II.  Combined with a 5d mk3, I just didn't need/use it.
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2013, 08:35:54 PM »
Close focus, something I really like at wide angles, is apparently a problem for the 24-70 2.8 II.
But close focus is a strength of the 24 and 28 2.8 IS lenses, and probably also with the wide 1.4's
You are right, close focus on the 24-70mmL is poor at best.  Its awful.  Fortunately, my 100L is good for close focus.  My 24-105 which I've kept is also good at close focusing.
There is never a perfect lens.

How close can you go at 24 mm on the 24-70?
It's mostly in the wide that I need to focus close

The MFD of the 24-70 2.8 ii is 380 mm; at 24mm even a bit longer.
The MFD of the 24 1.4 ii is 210 mm

So close to a 2x difference

MFD is not the whole story. My understanding is that IQ at MFD is awful, so to get good IQ you have to have a subject some distance further than the MFD.

I wonder how far away the subject needs to be in order to get that excellent IQ the 24-70 2.8 II can deliver?

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2013, 11:56:10 AM »
When I got my 24-70mm f/2.8 II I sold all my primes under 85mm. I don't regret it one bit.
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2013, 12:24:11 PM »
Don't want to sell my primes even when they are covered by my zooms.
I love my 35L and 135L, they have their place when light is getting tricky or I want to have that 1.4/2.0- look.
My 2 cents.

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2013, 12:56:01 PM »
Don't want to sell my primes even when they are covered by my zooms.
I love my 35L and 135L, they have their place when light is getting tricky or I want to have that 1.4/2.0- look.
My 2 cents.

I agree... I have 16-35 2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 IS II, and 24-105 f/4 zooms, and I have the 28 2.8 IS, but I keep wanting bigger aperture. My only large aperture now is the 50 1.4. My 85 1.8 was damaged, and I tried a 24 1.4 several years ago but it didn't focus reliably on my 5DII. Now with the 5DIII I'm going to give the 24 1.4 another try, and I'd like a 50 1.4 IS and an 85 1.4 IS.

Large aperture primes provide opportunities for unique shots that are not possible on the zooms.

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 01:43:27 PM »
Think I have bought and sold and swapped between the 85 L and a 70200 six seven times. But indeed the AF just kills it for me with the 85.

I have bought a great portrait lens with great AF now, arriving tomorrow  :)

so what are you going with?

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Re: Can 24-70/2.8 II replace 35/1.4?
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 01:43:27 PM »