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Need daily lens suggestion
« on: August 19, 2013, 01:45:43 PM »
About to pull the trigger on a 7d body as I need the speed for football and baseball games. I have access to a 70-200 2.8 IS for this which is great, but I need some suggestions on what I should get for my daily lens. I will be doing the occasional video as well.

Here are some that I am considering.

Canon 24-105 f/4L IS

Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2.8

Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 DI VC

Canon 24-70 f/4L IS

I'm seriously all over the place here. The f/2.8 is very attractive for low light situations, but should I just get a 50mm prime for those situations? Not sure.

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 01:50:01 PM »
EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS.  The 24-xx zooms are great on FF, but on APS-C they don't give you a wide angle.  IMO, the 17-55mm is the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »
EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS.  The 24-xx zooms are great on FF, but on APS-C they don't give you a wide angle.  IMO, the 17-55mm is the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.

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not an unusual dilemma, been there myself, went with 17-55, didn't regret it (until I went FF and wished I already had the 24-105 that is)... long story short, it is f/2.8, it has IS, and it is quite wide on crop...

only thing that might throw you off is the need for weather sealing, or, if you know you wont need wide, but would like more reach (but I guess that's where the 70-200 would come in)

btw, just to mess up with your decision making a bit and maybe plant a bug in your head  :P ... I was also considering the 15-85 IS... not fast aperture wise, but I hear quite good IQ, nice range, IS, cheaper than 17-55...
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2013, 04:16:53 PM »
Thank you for the input.

I've been mulling over the Crop vs FF issue as well, but I think I need the higher FPS that a crop gives me due to baseball and football. With that said, does that change the thought behind the approach to which glass I go with?

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2013, 04:21:18 PM »
The 15-85 is very sharp and gives extra range either side of the 17-55.  It's one of the best and most useful APS-C lenses made. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 04:36:21 PM »
The canon 17-55mm efs is nice but also consider the sigma 24-70mm 2.8. Just have to hope on a good sharp copy. The canon one is really expensive.

+1 to the canon 15-85mm suggestions. 15 is way wider than 17.

If you're planning on upgrading in he future, ie full frame, then start buying EF mount lenses. Primes are very nice but honestly, zooms are more comfortable and more versatile for everyday outings.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 04:39:47 PM »
Thank you for the input.

I've been mulling over the Crop vs FF issue as well, but I think I need the higher FPS that a crop gives me due to baseball and football. With that said, does that change the thought behind the approach to which glass I go with?

well, my train of thought after reading the above would be: 1. you will be doing sports photography, but for that you will have the 70-200, so the lens you are looking for now will be just general "walk around" lens and the sports photography requirements don't influence the choice much, but 2. it means you decided you will go with crop for some time and that would make me lean towards good EF-S lens (the 17-55 if you want the best EF-S zoom, or maybe 15-85 for a bit more reach on both ends)

btw, you also mentioned shooting video... I don't, but I guess IS is helpful in many video situations... and I realize that every one of the lenses discussed here has it, I just thought ill mention it in case you would bring in another alternative later  ;)

aaand one more thing...

should I just get a 50mm prime for those situations?

yes, do it  :) additional to the zoom... if "just" the f/1.8, for the price, its great, it was maybe my best photo gear "investment" when I bought it having only slow kit zoom (the lens explained the concept of DOF to me  :) e.g. for portraits, gave me more low light possibilities, the experience of using a prime...)

Edit: I keep forgetting the new sigma 18-35 f/1.8 zoom, but you might want to look at that as well, limited range, no IS, but a f/1.8 zoom... ooone point eeeight!  :P
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2013, 05:53:23 PM »
Thank you for the input.

I've been mulling over the Crop vs FF issue as well, but I think I need the higher FPS that a crop gives me due to baseball and football. With that said, does that change the thought behind the approach to which glass I go with?

Knowing whether you will stay with a crop sensor camera or not will absolutely affect your decisions on lens selection. The fine EF-S lenses mentioned above will not work on a FF camera, they are for APS-C only. If you are sure that you will continue to shoot with a crop body, it is not so critical. But the convenience of using your (expensive) lenses on either body should not be underestimated. If you feel that you will "upgrade" to FF any time soon, then I would suggest that the only EF-S lens you buy should be a wide zoom, like the Canon 10-22mm or the soon to be released Sigma. The EF24-105 is an awesome walk around lens on a crop, but for the fact that 36-168mm FF equivalent is not very wide.

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2013, 06:19:35 PM »
I have to agree with the the general consensus.

The EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS is a great walk around lens but... people say it's a dust magnet as it isn't well sealed. I haven't had issues with mine though I haven't used it as much lately. I'm mainly shooting FF. I've used it for everything from events to product shots. The wide end is not wide, though and a 10-20 Sigma or EF-S 10-22 would be a nice addition, if you need something wide.

The point that has been made is important. If you plan to keep your 7D, or are confident that you would replace it with another APS-C based camera, it's the best choice.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 09:40:46 PM »
Knowing whether you will stay with a crop sensor camera or not will absolutely affect your decisions on lens selection. The fine EF-S lenses mentioned above will not work on a FF camera, they are for APS-C only. If you are sure that you will continue to shoot with a crop body, it is not so critical. But the convenience of using your (expensive) lenses on either body should not be underestimated. If you feel that you will "upgrade" to FF any time soon, then I would suggest that the only EF-S lens you buy should be a wide zoom, like the Canon 10-22mm or the soon to be released Sigma. The EF24-105 is an awesome walk around lens on a crop, but for the fact that 36-168mm FF equivalent is not very wide.

Depends on what 'any time soon' means.  The high end EF-S lenses hold their value well.  I lost ~$50 on the 10-22mm and ~$100 on the 17-55mm, after 1 and close to 3 years of use, respectively.  If 'soon' is next month, fine. If it's 'sometime in the future, I hope' then get the best lens(es) for the body you have now. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2013, 10:32:06 PM »
I also recommend the 17-55, but you might want to consider the new Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 DC HSM Art lens. It has gotten a rave review from Bryan at TDP:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-18-35mm-f-1.8-DC-HSM-Lens.aspx

It's also about a couple hundred dollars cheaper!
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2013, 01:23:42 AM »
Knowing whether you will stay with a crop sensor camera or not will absolutely affect your decisions on lens selection. The fine EF-S lenses mentioned above will not work on a FF camera, they are for APS-C only. If you are sure that you will continue to shoot with a crop body, it is not so critical. But the convenience of using your (expensive) lenses on either body should not be underestimated. If you feel that you will "upgrade" to FF any time soon, then I would suggest that the only EF-S lens you buy should be a wide zoom, like the Canon 10-22mm or the soon to be released Sigma. The EF24-105 is an awesome walk around lens on a crop, but for the fact that 36-168mm FF equivalent is not very wide.

Depends on what 'any time soon' means.  The high end EF-S lenses hold their value well.  I lost ~$50 on the 10-22mm and ~$100 on the 17-55mm, after 1 and close to 3 years of use, respectively.  If 'soon' is next month, fine. If it's 'sometime in the future, I hope' then get the best lens(es) for the body you have now.

Quite right. Any time soon is very relevant. Still, I see no trade offs with the OP only buying an UW zoom in APS-C format and a FF compatible standard zoom. The OP listed the Tamron 24-70VC as a possible choice. Other than the loss of 17mm at the wide end, the Tamron is, I believe, vastly superior in every way. Better build/weather sealed, better image stabilisation, less distortion, sharper, etc. As long as the OP doesn't miss those 17mm, where is the trade off?

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2013, 02:50:38 AM »
No 17-50 F2.8?  :o

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2013, 04:36:09 AM »
I also recommend the 17-55, but you might want to consider the new Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 DC HSM Art lens. It has gotten a rave review from Bryan at TDP:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-18-35mm-f-1.8-DC-HSM-Lens.aspx

It's also about a couple hundred dollars cheaper!

Also other reviewers like Lenstip are very favourable about this lens.

This Sigma lens is actually my next investment. For "general purpose" i'd couple it either with a 24-105L or the 85 f/1.8.
The 24-105 is indeed not very wide on a crop, but it's quality glass and together with a flash I really like it to to document events, with it's reach you can stay a bit more in the background.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2013, 04:42:52 AM »
Knowing whether you will stay with a crop sensor camera or not will absolutely affect your decisions on lens selection. The fine EF-S lenses mentioned above will not work on a FF camera, they are for APS-C only. If you are sure that you will continue to shoot with a crop body, it is not so critical. But the convenience of using your (expensive) lenses on either body should not be underestimated. If you feel that you will "upgrade" to FF any time soon, then I would suggest that the only EF-S lens you buy should be a wide zoom, like the Canon 10-22mm or the soon to be released Sigma. The EF24-105 is an awesome walk around lens on a crop, but for the fact that 36-168mm FF equivalent is not very wide.

Depends on what 'any time soon' means.  The high end EF-S lenses hold their value well.  I lost ~$50 on the 10-22mm and ~$100 on the 17-55mm, after 1 and close to 3 years of use, respectively.  If 'soon' is next month, fine. If it's 'sometime in the future, I hope' then get the best lens(es) for the body you have now.
+1

As the OP is about to order a 7D, I'd guess that any possible migration to FF is years away, if ever. EF-S, and more specifically, the 17-55 is the way to go. I used a 17-55/2.8 IS and 70-200/2.8 IS on crop for years, and while it does encourage lens swapping, I can't remember any times where I needed the 55-70 range.
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