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Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:49 PM »
As I get ready to buy the 6D with the 24-105 lens I'm wondering why none of the other manufacturers are offering a mid range quality zoom, maybe something like a high quality 18-135. Canon seems to have had this segment to themselves for a long time and I'm a little worried the 24-105 is "outdated". Am I justified in thinking that and is there anything on the horizon from other manufacturers?

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 06:42:24 PM »
Probably hard to compete.  The 3rd party vendors generally try to produce lenses that address gaps in Canon's lineup or are similar to an existing lens but at a lower price point.  The 24-105L is an excellent lens, and adds as low as $500 to some kits.
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 09:18:27 PM »
Hi,
   IMHO, 24-105 F4L will not be updated if it's still a kit lens. I think when the 24-70 F4L fully replace 24-105 F4L as the new kit lens, then 24-105 F4L will be updated.

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2013, 10:51:27 PM »
I do not know where is the competition of this lens since it is, IMO, so good with its price (bought it new for less than $750).  Wish that there is 24-105mm f/2.8 IS...  Below is an image that I snapped in front of my friend house:

Note:  Image was post processed to display with light box panel.  Took it before dark, around 7PM and handheld with 5d mark iii, 24-105mm, 1/8 of shutter, f/8 and iso 3200.  That is the reason why I am loving IS :P

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 08:59:33 AM »
 this used to be expensive,  but then it was packaged with every 5d mkiii  and 6d  and it became too plentiful.   supply and demand.   in all honesty,  it is a really good lens.   sure I would love to shoot at f2.8,  but  it is easily a great value at 750  and at 660  people should jump at the chance.   yes there is some distortion,  but that is what  Lightroom is for.   
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100 f/2.8L->85mm f/1.8 USM->135L -> 8mm ->100L

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 09:01:50 AM »
 and there are  super zooms by tam r on  and  sigma,  as well as 24-70's,  but at this point, I think it would be difficult to sell a f4 24-105  third party and still be able to make money.

msrp  isn't the real price with this lens and everyone knows it.
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XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100 f/2.8L->85mm f/1.8 USM->135L -> 8mm ->100L

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2013, 09:58:35 AM »
Its a brilliant lens, lightweight great range. Stuck to my camera most of the time.

Its not as sharp as other Ls but theres nothing with this range in a standard zoom, 24-70mm is heavy with modern cameras you can shoot higher with the same noise so F4 is not a problem gives ok subject isolation and good bokeh.
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2013, 10:07:03 AM »
As I get ready to buy the 6D with the 24-105 lens I'm wondering why none of the other manufacturers are offering a mid range quality zoom, maybe something like a high quality 18-135. Canon seems to have had this segment to themselves for a long time and I'm a little worried the 24-105 is "outdated". Am I justified in thinking that and is there anything on the horizon from other manufacturers?

It's still a great lens to "carry around" if you don't know what you might encounter. A bit more barrel distortion on the wide end than I like, but easily fixed in post. It's a great bargain in the kit for an extra $500.

As for making an 18-135 lens, and making it well, that would be expensive. The zoom ratio is that much higher.

Before Canon updates the 24-105 they may update one of the other lenses in their "f/4 L" series. The 17-40 is a few years older, and the 300 IS is really old (though still a good performer, it could use updated IS at the very least).
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2013, 11:10:18 AM »
... I'm a little worried the 24-105 is "outdated"...
the 24-105 is a good lens, for a very reasonable price (it's on my camera more often then the 24-70): go for it, especially with the highISO capabilities of the 6D.
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2013, 12:01:32 PM »
i have the 24-105 and love the lens. it is very versatile and i use it more than my 24-70. it is an excellent lens. it is what i would call my walk-around lens. i have used it for portrait and group work as well and liked the results every time.

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2013, 12:13:44 PM »
I'm a little worried the 24-105 is "outdated"

It's not. As an owner of the 6D + 24-105L combo let me reassure you, it's a fantastic lens; the perfect all-rounder lens with top notch image quality.

Better lenses are available but you will be spending much more money and/or sacrificing focal range.

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2013, 12:52:52 PM »
Theres no announcement for an update and even if there was an announcement it would still take over 1 year for the newer version to be released. So nothing to worry. Lenses dont lose their value fast anyway. Some never :)

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2013, 01:33:19 PM »
+1 happy with 6D and 24-105  ;)

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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2013, 01:33:27 PM »
Canon has spoken with the release of the 24-70 f/4L IS, and I suspect the 24-105 is an evolutionary dead end. Too bad, I find I use the 70-105 part of the range fairly often.  But don't sweat it either way, the currently available lens is a great every day lens that will serve you well, especially for the price that it is available at today.

BTW, in my experience the 18-xxx ranges are almost exclusively for APS-C sensors, 18 being an effective 29mm on a Canon APS-C body.
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Re: Where's the competition for the 24-105?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2013, 02:10:25 PM »
I have the 24-105. Bought it as a "kit" with my 5DII. I go back and forth on it. I have absolutely no complaints about the optical quality. Not as sharp as my 135 for instance but plenty sharp for most applications.

My issue with it is (and why I still sometimes regret not buying the original 24-70 back then) that it's not working for me as the "general purpose" lens it is intended as. As a "walk around" I now almost always resort to my 50mm or bring the 50 and the 135. The 24-105 is simply an issue because it's f/4.

That being said - instead of parting with it or swapping it for a used 24-70 (version 1) I find that I like it for three applications: a) for the rare instances where I want a wide angle lens it makes for a decent substitute b) it works very well as a studio-setting portrait lens especially when working under time pressure/antsy subjects and c) for live music/stage/event photography.

Especially for the latter the IS is working surprisingly well (with flash or without), the extended zoom range can come in very handy at times and uber-sharpness is not really a need there necessarily. I start out with it for that kind of stuff just to cover the basics before I move to the primes to get some of the prettier stuff.

But with that in mind it really makes it more of a (quite useful) specialty lens and not a general use/walk-around lens. YMMV.

While on the subject: the 24-70 f/4 doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever to me. I simply don't get it.
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