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Re: Mount EF, EF-S or L lens on EOS-M --- Your thought???
« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2013, 11:09:55 AM »
It most definitely does. :)

And btw, not that it was ever the point. But if I had to choose between someone who had an amazingly unique portfolio and showed up with an M with a bunch of capable glass vs someone who had a portfolio that looked like the work of every other wedding photog, I would choose the former.

I want images that move me. Not everyone necessarily wants your run of the mill work from a guy/gal that has a 5d2/3, a 24-70, and 70-200 and strives to have images on par with the rest of the market. I don't consider someone that shoots all of the same scenes, produces similar images to a thousand others I have seen to be desirable. Just because you have a full frame body with a couple of the same lenses everyone else has, run your images through Alien Skin Exposure, Nik Color Efex, or VSCO Film via lightroom, oversaturate, soften, throw in a few b&w doesn't make you a desirable photog for everyone's wedding. Simply put, that doesn't make you anymore credible of a photog than the next guy with lesser/more gear.

Oh, I also forgot about the ever so important blog afterwards where you talk about how amazing the couple was and how beautiful the wedding turned out. Gag me with a spoon. I think I'll go with whomever can make me some awesome images.

Regardless, I don't think my point was ever to say that the M was suitable for everyone's needs in every situation over any other gear. All I wanted to convey was that the M is very capable, fits many needs for many people and provides a value the likes which I have previously not seen in photography. Making no claim that it is perfect or fitting for all.
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Re: Mount EF, EF-S or L lens on EOS-M --- Your thought???
« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2013, 11:09:55 AM »

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« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2013, 04:18:12 PM »
I use the EOS M for video, for which quiet lenses and IS are essential. The 22mm is not useful (no IS) and the kit zoom is too limited in range and F, so I need to go beyond M lenses. I have found the M and the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens to be ideal for good light. And the M and the EF 35mm f2.0 IS great for low light. Both are obviously bigger than the kit zoom, but the combo with either still fits in a small bag and so is ideal for travel. Even the SL1 and these lenses together are just too bulky.

Here is a recent video shot with the 18-135mm lens:
 
https://vimeo.com/73551007

And here is one using the 35mm, showing the M's video capability in dim light:

https://vimeo.com/73061460

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« Reply #92 on: September 02, 2013, 02:48:26 PM »
I like the possibility to use especially my EF300mm f/4 on the M. Since I bought my 5D2 I´m missing the reach of this lens I was used to on a crop Camera. Now that I got the EF-M Adapter as well, I´m finally able to have the reach again.
Also my 60mm EF-S Macro Lens will be a good  partner on the M.
As long as there is no 55-150mm STM Lens or something similar available for the M, I can use my Tokina 50-135 f/2.8 lens instead. So my crop glass comes to its 2nd live.

Just a funny picture to see the combination of a white lens on the black adapter on a red M. It´s just like having a second red line on the back end of the lens ;D




So, I really appreciate the possibility to combine the M with EF, EF-S and L Lenses

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Re: Mount EF, EF-S or L lens on EOS-M --- Your thought???
« Reply #93 on: September 02, 2013, 03:35:35 PM »
OK Dylan 777

The pic you posted is just not right!

Now I will have PTSD, and every time I see him in a movie I will have this pic in my mind.

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The word hate might be too strong here. There is no right or wrong shooting M with much larger lens. It just WACKY looking to me ;D
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« Reply #94 on: September 02, 2013, 04:06:08 PM »
Newegg has them on sale for $309.00.

Canon EOS M (6609B074) Black 18 MP 3.0" 1040K LCD Compact Mirrorless System Camera with EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K50YU6524
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« Reply #95 on: September 02, 2013, 05:15:05 PM »
I use the EOS M for video, for which quiet lenses and IS are essential. The 22mm is not useful (no IS) and the kit zoom is too limited in range and F, so I need to go beyond M lenses. I have found the M and the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens to be ideal for good light. And the M and the EF 35mm f2.0 IS great for low light. Both are obviously bigger than the kit zoom, but the combo with either still fits in a small bag and so is ideal for travel. Even the SL1 and these lenses together are just too bulky.

Here is a recent video shot with the 18-135mm lens:
 
https://vimeo.com/73551007

And here is one using the 35mm, showing the M's video capability in dim light:

https://vimeo.com/73061460

I like the M but above ISO 800 it is not even good enough for family videos. I see that you also tested it below ISO 800 in the "dark".  I had hoped for at least usable ISO1600 for video, but no go.

I have used the 28 2.8 IS with adapter on the M, and it works really well, makes me want to get the 24 IS and the 35 IS f/2. I love the little primes on the M!

Unfortunately I still need the 5DIII for low light. The M is just not good enough there.

BTW ... you can shoot it at 360 degree shutter angle (= 1/30 for 30p vid), and go even lower light levels. Same on the 5DIII, so in the end I still find the 5DIII gives more than 3 stops of low light advantage, maybe even 4 stops (it is still pretty good past ISO6400). I had hoped this difference would be no more than 2 stops, but not on this generation of sensor.


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« Reply #96 on: September 02, 2013, 05:15:19 PM »
Newegg has them on sale for $309.00.

Canon EOS M (6609B074) Black 18 MP 3.0" 1040K LCD Compact Mirrorless System Camera with EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K50YU6524

$309 is a great price for the M+18-55!  Since I purchased a kit with the 22/2 prime I'm temped to buy one of these to get the EF-M 18-55 cheap.  I can then sell the second body.
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« Reply #96 on: September 02, 2013, 05:15:19 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: September 02, 2013, 08:55:14 PM »
Newegg has them on sale for $309.00.

Canon EOS M (6609B074) Black 18 MP 3.0" 1040K LCD Compact Mirrorless System Camera with EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K50YU6524

Just be aware that this isn't actually shipping from Newegg. Not saying it's a problem, just understand who you are actually ordering from.

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« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2013, 08:59:23 PM »
I have the adapter and used my 24-70 2.8 on my M on my last vacation. The M is great at bumping around during the day with the 22 on. It makes for a good backup during the day. At night, well, it just doesn't cut the mustard even with an L lens on it.
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« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2013, 10:54:57 PM »
At a firesale price of $299 many bought one.

What I find amazing now is that the M has many more people defending it now.
I am not sure if it is pride of ownership, or ego's defending a purchase they once said they would never make.


Its only human to defend a decision you made, so there is some of that there.  However, some serious photographers have found they like it.
 
Personally, I think Canon was trying to "BUY" a customer base for the camera.  It may very well have been a really smart decision, since so many people are now quite happy with it.
 
I think I'd consider buying one with the dual pixel sensor and fast AF but I also want the ability to tether one to my pc for in studio use.  Wi-Fi, GPS, and tilting touch screen of course :)
 
 

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« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2013, 11:02:49 PM »
I'm not sure why Canon created another mount. It's really perplexing to me. The M, as it is currently, needs a better sensor and faster focus. I may jump on a dual pixel model.
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« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2013, 08:08:47 AM »
Personally, I think Canon was trying to "BUY" a customer base for the camera.  It may very well have been a really smart decision, since so many people are now quite happy with it.
 
I think I'd consider buying one with the dual pixel sensor and fast AF but I also want the ability to tether one to my pc for in studio use.  Wi-Fi, GPS, and tilting touch screen of course :)

I agree.  Of course, it's only a smart decision as far as Canon USA is concerned if they continue to develop the system, i.e., by releasing new EF-M lenses, etc. (including the one which is already available elsewhere in the world).

I wouldn't have paid $600-800 for the M. When they announced the 70D's DPAF technology, it was obvious that's a perfect fit for a mirrorless camera, which will end up in the M line soon.  But when they dropped the price to $300 (which was after the 70D announcement), it made sense to buy the current M.  The one with the 70D's sensor will obviously be priced much higher, making $300 a cheaper way to evaluate the system.  I bought the current M with the idea that if I liked it enough to replace it with the new DPAF version, the current one would make an ideal body for IR conversion.
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« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2013, 10:03:30 AM »
I went out today with the EOS M, EF-EOS M mount adapter, and a bag of lenses: EF 400mm f/5.6L, EF 70-200 f/4L IS, EF 17-40mm f/4L, EF 85mm f/1.8.  As soon as I picked up my backpack containing the lenses I was reminded what it is I like about the EOS M system.  I also took a tripod and ballhead to add to my load.

The image quality was fine, but the EOS M doesn't lend itself well to being used with long EF lenses.  Composing and focusing a telephoto lens at arms' length while looking at the LCD is difficult, and even more difficult in bright sunshine.  The AF is also problematic with long lenses in certain conditions, and I'm not referring to speed.  I tried to focus on a dragonfly with the 70-200mm, but just couldn't lock focus no matter how I tried.  It kept focusing on the background, no matter what AF options I chose.  This would have been easy with my 40D.

If you are going to carry heavy, bulky lenses around you may as well carry an SLR body.  You already have a heavy load, so a bit more isn't going to make much difference and shooting will be less frustrating and easier with an SLR compared to the EOS M.

I wasn't sure whether my EOS M system would be good enough to replace my SLR kit for the type of photos that I (personally) take - we all have different needs.  It is good enough for 90% of the photos I take, but I still need an SLR sometimes.

I regard my SLR and EOS M as separate systems.  The EOS M as a small, light, everyday camera that is easy to carry around and the SLR for more specialised or difficult shooting conditions.  The adapter allows me to combine the two to create one system, but I plan to keep them separate.  I will always find a use for the adapter, but as I have now decided to keep the systems separate it's not as important as I first thought.

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« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2013, 10:03:30 AM »

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« Reply #103 on: September 18, 2013, 06:40:14 PM »
At a firesale price of $299 many bought one.

What I find amazing now is that the M has many more people defending it now.
I am not sure if it is pride of ownership, or ego's defending a purchase they once said they would never make.


Its only human to defend a decision you made, so there is some of that there.  However, some serious photographers have found they like it.
 
Personally, I think Canon was trying to "BUY" a customer base for the camera.  It may very well have been a really smart decision, since so many people are now quite happy with it.
 
I think I'd consider buying one with the dual pixel sensor and fast AF but I also want the ability to tether one to my pc for in studio use.  Wi-Fi, GPS, and tilting touch screen of course :)

It is human nature, some of the people bashing it when it was released now sing its praises.
I thought it was an interesting camera at release but it didn't fit my kit and didn't have enough options.
I kept that in mind when it went to $300, a cheap price didn't make it suddenly fit my kit. It was a bargain, but over the years I have learned that bargains sometimes end up being dust collectors.

If a new M has the things you mention I will consider it as well, especially the tilting touch screen. I have a few macro shots in mind that I think that option would be very handy.

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« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2013, 11:28:58 AM »
I've got plenty of EF glass - and an adapter for the M - why the heck not? 
If you don't already have glass, and want to stay small, then probably not.

I also have Leica-M to EOS-M adapter so I can use my favorite vintage glass.

It's just another body.  Use it.  Use the glass you got.  Run what you brung.

If I had a 400 f/2.8 I HAPPILY hang an EOS-M off the back.  8)

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