This makes ZERO sense. If there is no real world difference the where is the inferiority - or the superiority? The sensor camera combo is only inferior/superior if there is a REAL tangible REAL WORLD Difference. If there is no real world difference then logically - one is not greater than the other. Again, this is photography, people buy images, people hire you because you craft good images - they don't hire/buy because the sensor is better. And you can even take that to the consumer level - ohhh...thanks for taking some pictures of my sons first birthday, but, I saw that you used a canon so I don't even want to look at the pics because nikon has better sensors??does anyone in the real world do that??
The real world also includes hobbyists, who do not buy or sell photos. They are curious about the challenges pros face and about the way the run their business but do not really relate to that.
It is like being a car enthusiast and discussing taxis which professional taxi drivers drive. Every taxi driver would tell you than the clients could not care less about handling, acceleration but they care about space and a smooth ride. The drivers themselves want reliability, trunk space, fuel economy. This automatically excluded the hottest car brands.
That's why I added the bit with shots of my, your, someones sons first birthday party, and telling your friend with the canon to just delete the shots cause their on a canon and they can't be good because nikons sensors are much better... Yes, the real world involves hobbyists, who may care more about the tech side than the rest of us...still though, using your own analogy = "The drivers themselves want reliability, trunk space, fuel economy." These are things that would make a real world difference. You are completely illuminating the real world from your equation. Might a hobbyist be more into the tech side of things? Perhaps, but, don't the actual images count for something, anything at all??
Again you claim that ----"It is what it is, and apparently most of the sensors are inferior to the nikon's(or sony) in almost every aspect. Whether it is noticeable or not in real world usage is not really that relevant." Again, how many National geographic covers show just text saying "image withheld due to inferior sensor." Or a sports illustrated swimsuit edition where instead of a center fold you see, image withheld for lack of DR. Or a billboard with text just say 14 stops of DR here. LOL Why are you buying a camera if not for images?? whether your a hobbyist, a photo-journalist, a porn photographer, weddings, need a camera for my newborne baby, to shooting disaster scenes for insurance companies to grandma's new P&S ---- isn't about the images???
So yes, DXO may say nikon has better sensors. But, the sensors in canon's are damn good too. Tests show one thing, real world shows us a ton of images from both systems that are freaking amazing. And when i look at images, the only time I really care what body/lens was used is if i am in the market to buy one. If I am looking for new posing ideas, I don't go to DXO....lol....uggg...stop typing now....
Maybe because you don't need more DR for every type of shot and for swimsuit models and such they just pop up some reflectors or what not if there are any issues. Not every scenario is like that. How can you say just because sidelines have lots of white lenses that this proves DR makes no difference? What does sports sidelines have to do with shooting in a forest?? (also for a while there the sidelines had gone from just about pure white to more black than white for a while with the 1D3 AF and other issues for a while although it is turning back a bit again)
Never did I say having DR doesn't matter, or is useless, or shouldn't be a concern. My argument was against the idea that - "It is what it is, and apparently most of the sensors are inferior to the nikon's(or sony) in almost every aspect. Whether it is noticeable or not in real world usage is not really that relevant."
A 1dx or a d4 is gonna perform better shooting sports than a d800 would do. Take it to the next extreme - A rebel would probably outdo a hasslebad shooting sports as well. this claim of outright inferior/superior is just silly, it all depends on what you shoot, what your needs are, what your style is...what you want to do. If it's your passion to shoot in a forest with vast amounts of DR to contend with, by all means, buy the body with better DR. But just because that body is top of the line in a forest, that doesn't mean it's better for something else. this still doesn't address the idea that 'whether it is noticeable in real world usage is not really that relevant.' Because if that's the case, then your what about shooting in forest scenario doesn't matter because thats a real world scenario. Intended use doesn't matter, that's real world too. All that matters is what the spec sheet says, or the lab results say because, whether it is noticeable in real world usage is not really that relevant.
Sorry, I say real world usage is relevant. If you spend most of your shooting time with your camera on a tripod, at ISO 100, then yes, DR and low ISO IQ makes a huge difference to you, and the nikon sensor is superior for that purpose...no arguments there. But if your shooting events, sports, weddings - then that DR advantage goes away because your not using ISO 100 the majority of the time. For sports fps and accurate servo tracking trump DR any day of the week. For weddings, High ISO and AF trump DR. For these 2 types of shooters canon is superior at that price point.
And for the hobbyists...sorry to bring in a small dose of reality here ---but talk about first world problems. I'm not letting Canon off the hook, but, this is 2013! this is a first world problem for sure, I mean cry me a river, my $XXXX value camera can't do 14 stops of DR which I process on my expensive computer using the latest professional grade software?
I get that we have wants, but seriously now, this is 1st world craziness written all over it. Its a hobby. That shot you get of your kid at the birthday party, is 14 stops vs 11 stops of DR going to really stop you from showing it grandchildren? That landscape you took and had framed and put on the wall, are your friends really coming over for a bbq and telling you wow, look at that banding in the corner, see it, here's the magnifying glass - or wow, this would have been so much better had you lifted the shadows 2 stops. I'm not trying to be elitist here, but at least pros do have some valid concerns for tech upgrades, their livelyhood depends on it. But as a hobby, come on now, can't we all just agree that the modern age has a lot of badass tools we can use?