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Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« on: August 30, 2013, 02:19:32 AM »
This is from a Nikon fanboy (and I still prefer Nikon but shoot both)

1) HDR mode is available if you "must have" that DR
2) use CPL filter boosts DR quite a lot out door.
3) 100% of time people fail to tell which pictures from which brands.
4) Great DR camera shouldn't be an excuse for bad shooting technique

Nikon is better in DR but camera body is the last thing you should worry about.
Above all it is your skill that determine the outcome.

So please stop rampaging the dxo threat about DR and DXO score.

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 03:30:50 AM »
This is from a Nikon fanboy (and I still prefer Nikon but shoot both)

1) HDR mode is available if you "must have" that DR
2) use CPL filter boosts DR quite a lot out door.
3) 100% of time people fail to tell which pictures from which brands.
4) Great DR camera shouldn't be an excuse for bad shooting technique

Nikon is better in DR but camera body is the last thing you should worry about.
Above all it is your skill that determine the outcome.

So please stop rampaging the dxo threat about DR and DXO score.

P.S.
I found Canon color accuracy seems better than Nikon
+1 ... I shoot both Canon and Nikon but prefer Canon
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 03:49:12 AM »
+1

If I get an underexposed shot, what I do is increase the exposure to get the midtones correct and then pull down shadows and highlights, that way the shadows become brighter but with no more noise. Normally though, I ETTR and I say out of the 50k shots with the 1dx so far, I have pushed the shadow up no more than 6-7 pictures. Pulling them down, however, I do frequently.

The CPL is a very good point, I use it always outdoor, and it REALLY adds to the image, clearly DR, but the overall punch is so much better. Many people underestimate the power of a CPL.
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 04:37:14 AM »
It strikes me somewhat that in he rush for huge DR and ultra high iso that it's sometimes forgotten that some detail should be rendered black, some shadows should be crunched, some ultra-whites should be allowed to burn out.

As duydanial says, it's one parameter.

For me, I use canon because I have used it for 22 years.  I have accrued bits of kit that work exclusively with it and know my cameras pretty much inside out within my needs.

Do Nikon have the upper hand in the scheme of things?  For now it seems they do.  For the majority of the 22 years I've been shooting on Canon EOS cameras they've arguably had the upper hand.

Not that I really care about what Nikon are doing.  The last great thing Nikon did was put video on their D90.
It took Canon to get it right, and it's changed the way I work.

I care about that. Not about DXO.  I can't remember the last time I thought 'oh I wish I had more dynamic range' but then, I will use CPLs. I will use grads. I will use extra lights for front fill, set fill.  Even if I had a couple of extra stops DR, I would probably have to filter it straight back out for broadcast safe.

I'm using my DSLRs mainly for video, and for posting stills online.  The end apparatus doesn't vastly out-perform my camera in terms of DR as far as I can see.

Worry about other things.  I think.

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2013, 04:49:06 AM »
Correct, I play with my brother's D7000 every now and then but after going through RAW files from it the colors just don't feel right especially on skin tone. As for DR Nikon really does have the edge, but it's an edge that photographers can live without. Landscape and studio guys might disagree, but if they're practical enough they can live without it too.
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 05:18:02 AM »
+1

If I get an underexposed shot, what I do is increase the exposure to get the midtones correct and then pull down shadows and highlights, that way the shadows become brighter but with no more noise.

Hope temple guy reads this........

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 05:25:04 AM »
This is from a Nikon fanboy (and I still prefer Nikon but shoot both)

1) HDR mode is available if you "must have" that DR

not usable for all shots though


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4) Great DR camera shouldn't be an excuse for bad shooting technique

No, but it can help when mistakes are made AND more importantly it is not so much about rescuing shots and getting well exposed shots to turn out OK if the scene has a ton of DR.

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Nikon is better in DR but camera body is the last thing you should worry about.

It may not matter so much for some, but it can certainly matter, at least here and there for others.

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Above all it is your skill that determine the outcome.

that really depends, sometimes it really doesn't matter what skill you have


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I found Canon color accuracy seems better than Nikon

it might be in the profiles the software you use makes, a typical canon raw might make it a bit easier to work with certain tones on certain skin types but for other colors it apparently tends to measure somewhat less accurately than Nikon on average, it's a VERY complex subject with no easy answers though by any remote means

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 05:37:38 AM »
1) HDR mode is available if you "must have" that DR

This is simply wrong, if something moves (and in nature, most things do) hdr won't work, you can blend a hdr with some non-hdr parts but this is a pita. I often have to do ~1-1.5ev bracketing with my 60d when shooting outdoors at noon, so there's not that much dr missing, but there you are.

I'd wager to say I'm good at exposing properly (ettr and recovering highlights in post) - but often it's simply the choice between very minor shadow data or blown highlights. Esp. with reflections you quickly get a speckled look, recovery helps at the expense of highlight rolloff, but some more dr would further eliminate the problem and also help cut postprocessing time.

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 05:53:44 AM »
+1

If I get an underexposed shot, what I do is increase the exposure to get the midtones correct and then pull down shadows and highlights, that way the shadows become brighter but with no more noise.

Hope temple guy reads this........

 :(


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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 06:29:12 AM »
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2013, 06:31:45 AM »
Try this:


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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2013, 07:22:14 AM »
I answer the  thread creator and corrects errors because there are significant knowledge gaps in terms of the benefits of DR from many of you.

I'm not sure you realize it, but it's quite possible to understand the benefit of something while concurrently understanding the compromises necessary to gain that benefit, and the fact that the benefit under discussion is neither necessary nor applicable in all scenarios.
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2013, 07:36:38 AM »
+1

If I get an underexposed shot, what I do is increase the exposure to get the midtones correct and then pull down shadows and highlights, that way the shadows become brighter but with no more noise.

Hope temple guy reads this........

 :(

This thread was tailor made for him ... you should have seen it coming!
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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2013, 07:37:37 AM »
The CPL is a very good point, I use it always outdoor, and it REALLY adds to the image, clearly DR, but the overall punch is so much better. Many people underestimate the power of a CPL.

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Re: Why you shouldn't be worried about DR
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