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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2013, 11:19:27 PM »
I've been thinking about picking up a Canon 24-105 (seen prices as low as ~650) but perhaps I'll have to wait now. I'm definitely a fast prime guy, so what attracts me is the IS. Right now I don't have an IS option at ANY focal length, and having one, go-to IS lens covering the majority of the focal lengths I use would be handy.
Carl, why wait? If you figure you need a 24-105, most copies of the Canon are just great. It hasn't earned the fact that so many photographers rate this their most used lens for no good reason. The Sigma is still vapor, the Canon exists. It has very good IS. Buy a pre-owned one if there are $$ pressures. If the Sigma turns out to be a winner, sell the Canon. You'll be unlikely to take a $$ hit on it.

Sigma does appear to be on a roll, and that's a good thing for everybody. The sharpness on the 18-35 f/1.8 has been getting plenty of attention, but there has been less said about Sigma's remaining bug-bear....AF accuracy. This is where you'll find the Canon pull comfortably ahead, delivering you more important keepers.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2013, 12:12:59 AM »
I hope Sigma does it.  I like the range 24-105 than the 24-70 for events.

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2013, 01:42:49 AM »
my 24-105 copy is very good and for a walkabout lens i like af accuracy over
small iq diffrrence. as for cost...i have the 24-105l.
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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2013, 08:11:52 AM »
Have to agree with Neuro.
The current prices of the Canon and its real excellence will be a hard act to follow.

My copy needs a CLA buts is still a go-to lens for 80% of my shooting. What I really need is another for backup.
It is a decent lens, but not really an "excellent" one. It could use way more sharpness across the frame, especially in the corners. I wouldn't use the 24-105L for landscapes.

Sharpness is probably one of the things that Sigma is going to bring to the table.. And lots of it.

$500 for a Canon 24-105?? not for all of us!

If sigma bring more sharpness (and for a walk around I think the Canon 24-105 is fantastic as it is) to the table then it will be a real winner.

I'm wondering why Sigma would go head to head with that lens though? wouldn't the 50 1.4/2 be more obvious? unless they maybe they see it as a near future gap in the market.

They already did their 50 1.4

So no need for Canon to upgrade any of their 50's either then, I think a fair few peps are looking for a new 50 art from Sig no?

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2013, 01:37:13 PM »
Why no one makes 24-105 f/2.8?
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2013, 01:40:07 PM »
Why no one makes 24-105 f/2.8?
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2013, 03:42:05 AM »
Neither is Canon's. The 24-105 is easily the worst L lens I have ever tried (tried three, couldn't stand to own any of them for even as long as a week).


That is probably because you have only tried those which were manufactured long time ago. My copy which was bundled with the 6D is tack sharp wide open from 24 to 105 mm.

I attribute this to what Lensrentals calls Silent Changes http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes:

"Sometimes changes like this that occur during the life of a lens (or camera) are done to address a problem. I can think of a half-dozen examples off of the top of my head; a few announced by the manufacturer but most not announced.

These aren’t always ‘secret upgrades’ as the paranoid among us like to think, but sometimes they are. Most often, though, they’re simply a change in subassembly supplier or a more effective way to manufacture a part, like this one."


one of them was as recent as a 5D3 kit lens, it was a little better, but still nothing to write home about (when being picky, it sure did not make me even begin to think of selling my 24 1.4 II, my 24-70 II not only got me thinking, it got me to do it; a recent 24-70 f/4 IS I looked at did better than the 24-105 too).

Of course now that the price of the 24-105 is more or less $500 kitted and $650 new split from kit it's a pretty good lens for this new price and it did seem to do noticeably better than the 28-135 I tried.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2013, 03:44:52 AM »
Have to agree with Neuro.
The current prices of the Canon and its real excellence will be a hard act to follow.

My copy needs a CLA buts is still a go-to lens for 80% of my shooting. What I really need is another for backup.
It is a decent lens, but not really an "excellent" one. It could use way more sharpness across the frame, especially in the corners. I wouldn't use the 24-105L for landscapes.

Sharpness is probably one of the things that Sigma is going to bring to the table.. And lots of it.

$500 for a Canon 24-105?? not for all of us!

If sigma bring more sharpness (and for a walk around I think the Canon 24-105 is fantastic as it is) to the table then it will be a real winner.

I'm wondering why Sigma would go head to head with that lens though? wouldn't the 50 1.4/2 be more obvious? unless they maybe they see it as a near future gap in the market.

They already did their 50 1.4

So no need for Canon to upgrade any of their 50's either then, I think a fair few peps are looking for a new 50 art from Sig no?

Oh there has been a need for Canon to update their 50 1.4 since it came out. It uses a flawed AF design, not just bad but a literal design flaw. It's crzy they have not fixed it for all these years and just come out with a real USM version. They unique clutched micro USM AF it uses is terrible, the clutch breaks if you so much as think about it hah and the AF motor is very low precision, way too low for f/1.4.

Hmm I missed reading about the sigma 1.4 art, I guess they are coming out with a new one. Is it just updated to Art or completely new?

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2013, 05:10:00 AM »
I’m not fully satisfied with Canon EF 24-105L. Sometimes it is IQ, sometimes (but not many) maybe accuracy and speed of autofocus. Also f/4 is not top of the hill, but I know that to make faster lens with this focal range will lead to extreme big diameters of lens elements.

In other side, It is very usefull lens and I called it „it is as good compromise as it can be“ in all parameters. Hardly to find replacement.

So, if Sigma can beat the IQ, reliability and also important the price, I’m quite much interested in it. Maybe, if Sigma will try to make it at least with f/3.5 it will be more interesting to Canon users. If not, there will probably remains only other brand customers like Nikons or Sonys (Pentax don‘t have fullframe). I’m not sure it is enough for Sigma economists ...

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2013, 09:43:16 AM »
Sigma has balls. They are doing the unexpected And in a great way!
A 1.8 zoom was unheard of before...
I want a 24-105 f2.8. From canon or sigma...
Sigma can do it. Even if the lens is bigger than normal, I wouldn't care.
Please sigma! Do something radical again!
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2013, 04:26:35 AM »
Given that Canon seem to have abandoned doing an update for this lens, I've only one thing to say:

YES
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And please let it be as good (or nearly as good) as the 35/1.4!

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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2013, 04:28:47 AM »
The kit lens price of the current EF 24-105mm f/4L IS will be hard to beat.  It's been as low as $500 recently.

Canon also sell a 70-300 for under $400. Doesn't stop people paying more for the 70-300L or the Tamron 70-300 Vi DC that is also more.

My guess is that the current (or recent) low prices on the 24-105 are because someone is trying to get rid of stock to make way for other lenses so they're willing to sell at cost or with a small margin.

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2013, 04:37:37 AM »
The kit lens price of the current EF 24-105mm f/4L IS will be hard to beat.  It's been as low as $500 recently.

Yeah but the IQ can VERY clearly be beaten....


Sure, it can.  In the case of the Sigma 35/1.4 vs. the Canon 35L, it's (generally) better IQ and cheaper.  But if it's better IQ or cheaper, it's not such a simple choice.


Agreed.

The current 24-105L suffers from serious distortion at the wide end. Unless I'm constrained for time, I won't use the 24-105 below ~35mm, instead I'll use the 17-40L.

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2013, 07:58:53 AM »
The current 24-105L suffers from serious distortion at the wide end. Unless I'm constrained for time, I won't use the 24-105 below ~35mm, instead I'll use the 17-40L.

It takes extra efforts to see that distortion - I have to disable the lens correction on LR or DXO. I would do it for pure academic reasons only.

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2013, 09:17:33 AM »
The kit lens price of the current EF 24-105mm f/4L IS will be hard to beat.  It's been as low as $500 recently.

Canon also sell a 70-300 for under $400. Doesn't stop people paying more for the 70-300L or the Tamron 70-300 Vi DC that is also more.

Agreed - choice is good.  But I wonder...the Sigma 35/1.4 is generally considered to be optically better than the Canon 35/1.4L.  But I wonder how the picture would change if the Canon 35L were available for $300 cheaper than the Sigma, instead of the other way around?  Sure, some people will pay a premium for optical quality (and I'm one of them).  But many people will look at the specs of the lenses, and when they're the same, go with the cheaper option...especially if that cheaper option has a red ring around it. 

Also, the rumor doesn't indicate which lens series this one would fall into (A, C, S), but so far only S lenses have weather sealing, and I don't see an standard zoom f/4 lens as a 'sports' lens, so that may become another differentiating factor. 

I did say 'hard to beat' but certainly not impossible.  In fact, I expect if Sigma really does come out with the rumored lens, it will be in the C series, not weather sealed, but priced very competitively (equal to or cheaper than the kit price for the 24-105L).  Sigma may also be banking on the possibility that Canon will discontinue the 24-105L.
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