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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 02:30:07 PM »
Thanks to the responses, I can see a much wider picture of the pros and cons of keeping both lenses or not.

I initially thought of selling the 24-105mm right after getting the 24-70 II (the replacement), but will hold on to the 24-105mm either to assess its continued value or make it a back-up (like forum member RC). I feel better knowing that having both at the same time is getting less impractical. I'm kind of like Mt Spokane, it will be hard for me to part with the 24-105, it's "one L of a lens".

I agree with Act444 - I could drag the shutter longer with the IS but I frown each time there is motion blur when people walk by or when they are just plain restless. More reason for me to get the 24-70!  ;D
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 02:30:07 PM »

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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2013, 09:04:47 AM »
Sell it and use that money toward 70-200 f2.8 IS II or 135L ;)

I have x2 5D III. Guess what lenses I have on both bodies most of time? 24-70 II + 70-200
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 09:23:14 AM »
Sell it and use that money toward 70-200 f2.8 IS II or 135L ;)

I have x2 5D III. Guess what lenses I have on both bodies most of time? 24-70 II + 70-200

Excellent, Dylan777! That's the most ideal FF setup many of us would agree (or wish upon) on, 2 FF bodies and 24mm-200mm constant 2.8 without having to change lenses (and that means significantly lesser missed shots and sensor cleaning).  :D

My short term goal would be these three lenses:
1) 16-35mm II
2) 24-70mm II
3) 100mm 2.8L macro

Having the 24-105mm would almost overlap all three if I will still keep it. I will give the 24-105mm more time to see if it will still have more use, but it won't look like it. 
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 10:21:03 AM »
I have owned a 24-105 for two or three years straight prior to upgrading to the 24-70 II.

1.) Makes no real sense to have both... Unless you need IS for video and whatever. It will just collect dust.

2.) Not at all... The 24-70 II is a much superior lens. The 24-70 II is sharper at the edges/corners wide open then the 24-105 stopped down to f/8. It has considerably more sharpness.


The 24-70 II is a stunning lens... The IQ is incredible. Wide open at 70mm, it even surpasses the IQ of the 70-200 II (two different copies I compared against). And you know how highly regarded that lens is...

I did not miss the 24-105 one bit though... What is the 24-105???  ;D

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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2013, 11:14:54 AM »
I preferred the 24-105 to the original 24-70 version I, but I prefer the new 24-70 version II to the 24-105.  Each has some strengths, but I don't see a point in owning both.  The 24-70 II is quite excellent.

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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2013, 12:36:19 AM »
I have owned a 24-105 for two or three years straight prior to upgrading to the 24-70 II.

1.) Makes no real sense to have both... Unless you need IS for video and whatever. It will just collect dust.

2.) Not at all... The 24-70 II is a much superior lens. The 24-70 II is sharper at the edges/corners wide open then the 24-105 stopped down to f/8. It has considerably more sharpness.


The 24-70 II is a stunning lens... The IQ is incredible. Wide open at 70mm, it even surpasses the IQ of the 70-200 II (two different copies I compared against). And you know how highly regarded that lens is...

I did not miss the 24-105 one bit though... What is the 24-105???  ;D

Thank you very much for answering my questions point for point.

I'm now even more stoked for the 24-70 II!   ;D

January 2014!!! I don't know what I'm missing until then.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2013, 12:45:41 AM »
I preferred the 24-105 to the original 24-70 version I, but I prefer the new 24-70 version II to the 24-105.  Each has some strengths, but I don't see a point in owning both.  The 24-70 II is quite excellent.

Thanks, about every post here say a lot of positive things about the 24-70 II. Your response is very helpful.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2013, 12:45:41 AM »

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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2013, 05:04:58 PM »
Not that I think many people are following this thread, but I have get this out of my system.

I picked up the 24-70mm II yesterday...January couldn't wait as it's on sale.

I am so floored with the IQ of this lens!

I seem to be lucky to get a copy that is apparently bang on the focus with my camera body, and the results are so...WOW! Out of camera JPEGs show a pop that I have not seen with the 24-105mm that I have. With RAW on Lightroom it's even better. 

The lens is so sharp where I want it to be, at 2.8 the area within the plane of focus is full of detail.

The 24-105mm will be jealous, I hope they don't fight inside the cabinet.

I want to thank all those who responded to this thread!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2013, 07:08:27 PM »
I also upgraded my 24-105 to a 24-70 II.

I really miss my 24-105, or rather: its IS. It happens ever so often that I shoot something and I want to close the aperture to f/8 or so, for the DOF needed. In those situations the IS really shines. I could shoot static objects like architecture or flowers at 1/10s without issues, whereas now I need to shoot at 1/100s or so. A huge difference. I took sooooo many photos I really like with the 24-105 in dim light, at dawn or a bit afterwards, and I found IS to be a great asset. The 24-105 IS really shows its best sides during the blue hour.  The 24-70 is hopeless (in comparison only!) during that very attractive time of day. Bumping up ISO is not an acceptable option, IMHO. So, I really miss IS but I don't miss the reach.

Having said that, the 24-70 shines when anything moves in the scene. 1 stop of Tv is a huge difference when shooting people in available light, also a very attractive situation. There I usually want to shoot at 1/80s or so, and for this type of work IS doesn't help too much. I can improve so many shots now that would have been motion-blurred a lot more with the 24-105.

In all, I do not wish my 24-105 back. When I set out to do high quality architecture during the blue hour, I compensate for IS with a small tripod. The side effect is, that it also helps composition.

I hope to have been useful, have fun with your new 24-70!!
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2013, 08:11:25 PM »
Sell it and use that money toward 70-200 f2.8 IS II or 135L ;)

I have x2 5D III. Guess what lenses I have on both bodies most of time? 24-70 II + 70-200

Enjoy your new 24-70 II !!!   +1 on the recommendation, above.   Given your shooting needs, I'd rec'd selling the 24-105 and picking up the 135mm f/2L, which is a nice, fast lens that renders beautiful bokeh.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2013, 08:27:39 PM »
What do you say to those who claim this eliminates the need for primes?  (Other than for shooting narrower DOF than f/2.8?). Exaggeration?
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2013, 09:32:54 PM »
I also upgraded my 24-105 to a 24-70 II.

I really miss my 24-105, or rather: its IS. It happens ever so often that I shoot something and I want to close the aperture to f/8 or so, for the DOF needed. In those situations the IS really shines. I could shoot static objects like architecture or flowers at 1/10s without issues, whereas now I need to shoot at 1/100s or so. A huge difference. I took sooooo many photos I really like with the 24-105 in dim light, at dawn or a bit afterwards, and I found IS to be a great asset. The 24-105 IS really shows its best sides during the blue hour.  The 24-70 is hopeless (in comparison only!) during that very attractive time of day. Bumping up ISO is not an acceptable option, IMHO. So, I really miss IS but I don't miss the reach.

Having said that, the 24-70 shines when anything moves in the scene. 1 stop of Tv is a huge difference when shooting people in available light, also a very attractive situation. There I usually want to shoot at 1/80s or so, and for this type of work IS doesn't help too much. I can improve so many shots now that would have been motion-blurred a lot more with the 24-105.

In all, I do not wish my 24-105 back. When I set out to do high quality architecture during the blue hour, I compensate for IS with a small tripod. The side effect is, that it also helps composition.

I hope to have been useful, have fun with your new 24-70!!

Thanks, Sulla! Indeed this will be fun. I'm keeping the 24-105mm for now since the price of second hand fell, sellers on the classifieds are offering nothing higher than $750. But if that's the price it's settling on then I might have to accept it and sell at that price if I need a longer telephoto.

I'm a klutz with the 24-105mm (I use a tripod in low light to help lower the ISO on at least f8) because I keep forgetting to turn off the IS.

With the one-stop wider aperture, that can help with scenes involving moving people that I often find myself taking pictures of. I think both lenses will be a good combo depending on the subject. 

What do you say to those who claim this eliminates the need for primes?  (Other than for shooting narrower DOF than f/2.8?). Exaggeration?


Hi Scotty, I don't know what to say to them, because I had not collected a set of primes except for the 100mm macro (which is also great) so I haven't really seen how good the wide and short telephoto primes are in my own experience. My last prime within the 24-70 range was an FD 50mm f1.8 for an AV-1.  :) 

But if the 24-70mm II approaches the sharpness/color/contrast of the primes very closely, then I'd rather have this - it will save me from changing lenses often. I can just set the focal length and zoom with my feet. Then again, I might wish for a wider aperture.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2013, 09:34:11 PM »
Very useful tread. I only have the 24-105 and actually like it a lot. It is very useful as a general purpose lens which it was also designed for. Of course the 24-70 II should be better. It is more than double up in price. However you loose 77mm filter compatibility, IS and gain extra weight. So probably this also comes down to budget, shooting stile and objectives.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2013, 11:05:12 PM »
I used the 24-105 for a long time for street work; decent speed, decent IQ. Then got the 24-70 II. I noticed the increase in IQ immediately. Superb glass, as distinct from 'very very good glass.' That said, I kept the 24-105; I use it for street work in bright sun, in difficult situations where I may not want to risk the 24-70, or if I need just a bit more length. For events on the street I use FF only and the 24-70 and 70-200 OR the 24-70 and 70-200 are a good kit. I don't miss IS on the 24-70 at all. Both are very useful lenses.
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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2013, 11:24:34 PM »
The 24-105L IS is really good for general purpose video. f/4 is pretty shallow for video and the IS takes out the micro shakes in hand-held /shoulder-support work.

If I didn't do any hand-held video I'd probably sell the 24-105

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Re: Question for owners of EF 24-105mm who also acquired EF 24-70mm II
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2013, 11:24:34 PM »