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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2013, 04:15:43 PM »
It's about 2000 meters high and I was lucky :)

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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2013, 04:25:13 PM »
It's about 2000 meters high and I was lucky :)

Wow, that's still pretty high. I will need to get onto some of those local passes again next spring. Perhaps, if I try often enough ;).

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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2013, 04:30:52 PM »
Here is one for you with M + 18-55 IS STM - Transfagarasan, Romania:

It's great in terms of sharpness, I have made some contrast adjustments, but the clouds and everything else are real.


That is a beautiful image.  Lots of detail there.  The 18-55 is a nice backup to take in the field.  I take it along when I am just carrying the Rokinon 14mm on a FF body, as it gives me some different framing options.  Nice work!

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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2013, 04:33:18 PM »

@Justin   Please ignore the snarky comments. Your photos are always interesting and frequently beautiful. They certainly are appropriate and welcome!

Thanks, Brad.  A certain amount of the "snarkiness" comes with the territory.  That is one of the hazards of putting yourself out there.  It all helps keep you humble  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2013, 06:56:01 PM »
Sorry if I snarkily insulted you Dustin, I do hope you'll forgive me. I gues it was un-professional of me to insult a fellow New Yorker. I bought my M full original price to shoot video only. My 7D is just fine shooting stills and I'm strong enough to lug it around all day long. The piece of crap M sits on a shelf, lifeless, what a waste of money. The pathetic AF is horrible unless you're shooting a still or slow moving object of considerable size. I even popped my $2500 70-200 white monster on it and it couldn't find the object I pointed it at. My business partner is curious to see how it works with LensBaby lenses. Good luck there.
Keep up the great work man and don't take me seriously, I tend to be critical at times, my bad. Sorry again.
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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2013, 07:57:23 PM »
Wow, I love my little piece of crap M. I guess it helps that I only paid $299 for it with the 22mm. It is what it is and I like it for that... a tinny camera with a large sensor that I can carry with me and get great shots. Sure it focuses slow and the touch screen drives me nuts but I still love it. It is a fun little camera. Here is one shot I took just after sunset at the beach the first week I had the camera.


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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2013, 09:14:21 PM »
Sorry if I snarkily insulted you Dustin, I do hope you'll forgive me. I gues it was un-professional of me to insult a fellow New Yorker. I bought my M full original price to shoot video only. My 7D is just fine shooting stills and I'm strong enough to lug it around all day long. The piece of crap M sits on a shelf, lifeless, what a waste of money. The pathetic AF is horrible unless you're shooting a still or slow moving object of considerable size. I even popped my $2500 70-200 white monster on it and it couldn't find the object I pointed it at. My business partner is curious to see how it works with LensBaby lenses. Good luck there.
Keep up the great work man and don't take me seriously, I tend to be critical at times, my bad. Sorry again.

No problem.  I like the M for what it is, but it doesn't shock me that there are those that don't particularly like it either.  My feeling on the camera would probably be different if I had paid full price for it, too, particularly before the firmware update that definitely helped improve AF.  I'm sure the jab about self promotion has some validity, but then again, writing reviews and trying to do commercially viable photography isn't much good if no one ever sees or reads it.  But thanks to you the EOS M review was the top viewed review on my website for the day ;)
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2013, 09:15:17 PM »
Wow, I love my little piece of crap M. I guess it helps that I only paid $299 for it with the 22mm. It is what it is and I like it for that... a tinny camera with a large sensor that I can carry with me and get great shots. Sure it focuses slow and the touch screen drives me nuts but I still love it. It is a fun little camera. Here is one shot I took just after sunset at the beach the first week I had the camera.




Pretty shot.  Nicely captured.  In good light the M produces excellent images.  In mediocre light it does OK.  In poor light, well, let's just say it isn't full frame!
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2013, 11:12:15 PM »
Dustin, thanks much for the thorough review of the EOS M!

I have read just about every M review out there, as well as a lot of forum comments (I tend to get obsessed when considering a significant purchase) and yours was one of the most complete reviews I have seen.

Your photos are beautiful.  It was great to see what can be achieved with either the 22 or 18-55 lenses by an accomplished photographer.

At present my sole camera is an S95 which I love but I wanted to complement it with a larger sensor and interchangeable lens camera. I really struggled with whether to go with a comparable DSLR (T3i or 4i) for increased ergonomics and versatility or the M for sake of the portability that I have grown accustomed to with the S95.

I ordered the M and both lenses just this morning and seeing your review this evening made me look forward to trying out the camera even more. 



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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2013, 11:19:33 PM »
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In good light the M produces excellent images.  In mediocre light it does OK.  In poor light, well, let's just say it isn't full frame!

Pretty much all you need to know about the M - in just 3 sentences!  ;D

Although there is a noticeable difference in low-light performance with the 22mm vs. the 18-55mm.

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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2013, 05:48:06 AM »
Interface and missing OVF/EVF is a hassle but the IQ is really good.

Thanks for your review, Dustin. It really has confirmed my decision to use the EOS M FOR WHAT IT IS.

I tried to revive my old FD lenses, especially the FD f/1.4 50mm S.S.C. - not as sharp as the Zeiss 1.4/55 but really o.k. I attached an image of a vineyard in Winningen near Koblenz, Germany. Made at f/2.8 and slightly postprocessed, sharpening is 4, Style is Faithful, set blackpoint, contrast +1 with DPP. The second image shows the center strip in full resolution.

The EOS M sensor has a spacial resolution which compares to a 50MPix FF sensor. I always have to keep that in mind if I look at images taken with a 40 yr old lens (!!!).

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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2013, 06:18:46 AM »
Here is one for you with M + 18-55 IS STM - Transfagarasan, Romania:

It's great in terms of sharpness, I have made some contrast adjustments, but the clouds and everything else are real.

Extreme metal festival with M + 22mm? No problem - Alan Averill(Primordial):


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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2013, 08:53:43 AM »
Dustin, thanks much for the thorough review of the EOS M!

I have read just about every M review out there, as well as a lot of forum comments (I tend to get obsessed when considering a significant purchase) and yours was one of the most complete reviews I have seen.

Your photos are beautiful.  It was great to see what can be achieved with either the 22 or 18-55 lenses by an accomplished photographer.

At present my sole camera is an S95 which I love but I wanted to complement it with a larger sensor and interchangeable lens camera. I really struggled with whether to go with a comparable DSLR (T3i or 4i) for increased ergonomics and versatility or the M for sake of the portability that I have grown accustomed to with the S95.

I ordered the M and both lenses just this morning and seeing your review this evening made me look forward to trying out the camera even more.

That is a very kind compliment.  Thank you.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are very pleased with the image quality you get from the M.  I think I like the pancake lens better, myself, but have been pleasantly surprised with the 18-55, particularly for landscape.
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Re: Review: EOS M System
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2013, 08:56:37 AM »
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In good light the M produces excellent images.  In mediocre light it does OK.  In poor light, well, let's just say it isn't full frame!

Pretty much all you need to know about the M - in just 3 sentences!  ;D

Although there is a noticeable difference in low-light performance with the 22mm vs. the 18-55mm.

True enough, but the f/2 aperture on the 22 might have a small impact on that ;D

Interface and missing OVF/EVF is a hassle but the IQ is really good.

Thanks for your review, Dustin. It really has confirmed my decision to use the EOS M FOR WHAT IT IS.

I tried to revive my old FD lenses, especially the FD f/1.4 50mm S.S.C. - not as sharp as the Zeiss 1.4/55 but really o.k. I attached an image of a vineyard in Winningen near Koblenz, Germany. Made at f/2.8 and slightly postprocessed, sharpening is 4, Style is Faithful, set blackpoint, contrast +1 with DPP. The second image shows the center strip in full resolution.

The EOS M sensor has a spacial resolution which compares to a 50MPix FF sensor. I always have to keep that in mind if I look at images taken with a 40 yr old lens (!!!).


That is a beautiful image.  I have been eying some of the FD lenses myself.  Not a great fit on the typical EOS system, but a lot of potential on the M for pretty low money.  I love my Helios on the M, and I suspect the FD 50 f/1.4 would be a nice fit. 

This image is great - great detail, nice color rendition.  Well done.  You may have just cost me $60 or so ;)
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« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2013, 04:15:31 PM »
Terrific review Dustin!  Very well written from a photographers perspective.  I think the pictures you posted with the review and here are a good compliment to the review and personally, I enjoy seeing them.

The M is good purchase for one of two applications, IMO.  1)  If you want a light walkaround camera that offers good image quality. 2) As a backup body that your existing lenses will work on with the little adapter.  There are arguably better options for #1, but for the combination of #1 and #2 there few competitors.

These two reasons are why I own an EOS-M and am happy with it.  There are better options available if you are just looking for an ILC camera and camera system, but for those of us heavily invested in Canon EF lenses, its a great option.  I of course prefer shooting with my 6D, but there are times when I don't want to deal with carrying the weight and bulk of a DSLR.  The M with the 22/2 lens mounted is easy to take with me when I want to travel light.


Wow, I love my little piece of crap M. I guess it helps that I only paid $299 for it with the 22mm. It is what it is and I like it for that... a tinny camera with a large sensor that I can carry with me and get great shots. Sure it focuses slow and the touch screen drives me nuts but I still love it. It is a fun little camera.

Great shot!  It is a fun little camera (for a piece of crap...:) )
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