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Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...

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jdramirez:
 so I have been side lighting photos of my infant daughter using a 580 exii,  an umbrella,  and a  yongnuo 622c...  and even though I can't access all the ettl  features immediately (I'm pretty sure it is operator error), I think the shadows from  being side lit aren't exactly what I'm looking for. 

 so I wasn't too get a cheap manual flash that I  can couple with my rouge flash bender  to add some fill flash or maybe even side lit fromtheother side using a wire  that attached to the hot shoe.

I  was  thinking about one of the newer brand flashes for 40  bucks,  but once I nut it it will only be worth twenty bucks if I sell it.  I  hate losing money on gear...  it drives me nuts.   so I was thinking,  maybe I should buy something like a 430 ex ii  which will retain its value,  but 200 v 40   seems like a  bad use of resources. 

I  see really old manual speed lites  on  craigslist,  but the head doesn't articulate backwards...

 so the question is...  what is the right price to pay for a manual flash  that will only be used inside the home for fill light.

jdramirez:
 it just occurred to me that I like to shoot at f 1.8 so I use high speed sync to raise my shutter speed so it is properly exposed...  and a cheap manual flash won't hss,  so that won't work...  unless I invest in a nd  filter.

Skirball:
What's the right price to pay?  As cheap as possible?  Kind of a subjective question.  Personally I'd go for the cheapo, if I already had a decent flash like the 580.  In fact, that's exactly what I did when I had just a 580.  But many would argue that you should get a 600.  You're really worrying about resale value of a $40 flash? 

I don't know much about Newer, but Yongnuo has a variety of flashes from full manual no zoom, to their 580 knockoff.  Choose the features you want and grab one.  I have one of the ultra basic models, I usually just use it to light backgrounds or as a hair light (snooted).  It works fine, it cost me next to nothing, and if I need more features I just use one of my other flashes.

Also a personal preference, but with something as sedentary as an infant I'd definitely be shooting manual anyway.

In the mean time: with a subject as small, and as stationary as an infant you should be able to use a reflector quite successfully for fill light.

Skirball:
I don't understand where the ND filter comes in.

7enderbender:

--- Quote from: jdramirez on September 19, 2013, 09:24:20 AM --- so I have been side lighting photos of my infant daughter using a 580 exii,  an umbrella,  and a  yongnuo 622c...  and even though I can't access all the ettl  features immediately (I'm pretty sure it is operator error), I think the shadows from  being side lit aren't exactly what I'm looking for. 

 so I wasn't too get a cheap manual flash that I  can couple with my rouge flash bender  to add some fill flash or maybe even side lit fromtheother side using a wire  that attached to the hot shoe.

I  was  thinking about one of the newer brand flashes for 40  bucks,  but once I nut it it will only be worth twenty bucks if I sell it.  I  hate losing money on gear...  it drives me nuts.   so I was thinking,  maybe I should buy something like a 430 ex ii  which will retain its value,  but 200 v 40   seems like a  bad use of resources. 

I  see really old manual speed lites  on  craigslist,  but the head doesn't articulate backwards...

 so the question is...  what is the right price to pay for a manual flash  that will only be used inside the home for fill light.

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Here's my take (based on some experience and experimentation with Speedlites - something I was completely new to not even 3 years ago). It's always great to have options. Having ETTL and Hi Speed Sync can be very beneficial. You may find that setting things manually is preferable. But even then it's nice to be able to control things via the camera menu. So there's you're answer if another Canon flash or fully compatible third party (such as Metz) is better than a cheap manual flash that doesn't support that nor Hi Speed sync for those saturated outdoor shoots in bright daylight.

BUT: if the goal is just to have nice fill I would start with adding a reflector to your existing setup. That usually works really well even with just one flash.

There is some good reading material available on the web and in books (e.g. Sil Arena's books or the basics covered on http://strobist.blogspot.com/ )

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