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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 12:24:27 PM »
What do you need a second 5D Mark III for?

If I were you, I would keep the one 5D Mark III and put that extra money in your pocket to a holiday (or two) to take pictures on, or possibly a lens you do not have.

With the lenses he has, the photo holiday sees like a top suggestion.

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 02:16:04 PM »
As much as it would be awesome to have a 1DX, I'd lean towards either:

  • Two 5DIIIs
  • One 5DIII and one 6D
  • One 5DIII and new lens

The decision would hinge on which lenses I already had and what the gear would be used for. With option 2, you might even have some left over to still get another lens, depending on the lens. That would give you a great primary body, a capable backup AND another lens.

Either way, I like the idea of having a capable backup to a great camera should one camera fail (and if it does, it will be at the worst possible time). As is often said in my other "shooting" hobby, "Two is one, one is none." Redundancy is a good thing if you're earning your living with your gear.

Of course, if your gear isn't mission-critical, that 1DX would be awfully fun to play with! :)

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 02:59:14 PM »
Unless you plan to constantly use the second body (i.e. as an event shooter), and just want a backup, I'd go for a cheapo Rebel or something.  Many of us with 2 or more bodies rarely use the second body and it's crazy to tie up that kind of cash in a body you rarely use.  Just give it some thought - $500 on a Rebel or $1000 on a 7D and the rest for a 1-2 week trip to some amazing place to get dream photos as others have suggested.
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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 03:32:07 PM »
Unless you plan to constantly use the second body (i.e. as an event shooter), and just want a backup, I'd go for a cheapo Rebel or something.  Many of us with 2 or more bodies rarely use the second body and it's crazy to tie up that kind of cash in a body you rarely use.  Just give it some thought - $500 on a Rebel or $1000 on a 7D and the rest for a 1-2 week trip to some amazing place to get dream photos as others have suggested.

Definitely hard to argue with that!

Maybe the other reason would be to have a zoom on one body and a prime on the other to have focal length flexibility without having to swap lenses, but I guess you could still do that with a crop backup. Taking a once-in-a-lifetime trip with a 5DIII and a good crop sounds really nice. I'd love to be in KKCFamilyman's predicament!

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 03:47:31 PM »
Unless your parachuting into warzones, marching through wet jungles, shooting Pro Sports or extremely clumsy, you don't need a 1Dx.
I walked through the Vietnamese highland djungle, in the rain, with my 5D3 and it did well shooting a long video take. No parachuting though.

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 04:34:02 PM »
Actually, if you are super clumsy get the 5d3. Drop a 1D X on concrete from a reasonable height and it still bites the dust. Then, no camera!

If sudden concrete contact is a reasonable future outlook, get a 60d or Rebel, the plastic bodies tend to bounce and get less damaged than heavy mag-alloy :->

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2013, 05:57:56 PM »
I was in the same conundrum so I decided on 8 Rebel T3's.

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2013, 07:03:53 PM »
I am getting my camera (5d3) replaced and have the opportunity to sell the replacement and get factory refurbed 1d x for $3900 or spend $1600 more to have 2 5d3's so I will have a backup. Just not sure if I should jump on the 1d x since I have lived this long with 1 body or get the 2 5d3's. My main want is stop better iso performance, customizable ae adjustments, more accurate metering. Just looking for people who have both to give some insight. I do like the smaller size, silent shutter, lower weight but want a tool thats best for the job. So far events and portraits are all I have done. Also landscapes and macro.

There are lots of threads here and elsewhere on this.

What I have found, of importance to me, is this:

At/below 1600 ISO, 5D3 = 1DX. Above 1600 ISO, 1DX > 5D3

Metering: 1DX > 5D3

f/2.8 AF Points: 1DX > 5D3

Viewfinder face detection: 1DX

Numerous comments about the superior quality of 1DX files and the ability to manipulate them in post.

At low ISO's, given a properly executed image, the 5D3 seems to have more detail due to more MP.

The quieter shutter (not even in silent mode) of the 5D3 should not be underestimated for things like weddings. This comes up again and again.

Not an easy choice. It isn't just build quality.

The 1Dx sure is THE flag ship at the moment. But your high ISO assessment shows improvement potential.

It depends on your idea of a clean image and it depends on your photographical preferencies as well.

So the ISO 1600 criteria seems a bit far fetched.

In an article earlier this year http://www.uncagethesoul.com/night-photography/best-canon-night-camera/
Ben Canales stated:

"Between the 1Dx and 5D3, it’s again difficult to find a winner here. In this scenario we’re not cranking the shadows to their breaking point, so at the “safe” level of ISO 3200 both seem to perform equally well. I think the 1Dx image catches the eye simply because of the Aurora colors in it. At this usage level, there’s not a big difference between the 1Dx and 5D3."
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"The 5D3 was NOT usable at 8000, but I’ve heard 6400 is manageable and I believe it. But unfortunately, I didn’t have one shot at that ISO for testing, so it stopped at 5000. ... Amazingly, the 1Dx was controllable all the way up to 12,800! By controllable, I mean a night shot at this ISO- I felt confident in how I edited it that I would post it online as one of my professional portfolio night shots. That doesn’t mean I’d make a print out of it (digital display vs professional print are leap years apart in regards to ISO’s) but I am confident to show it online. To me, this is a big difference and another reason the 1Dx champions out front of the others."
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"As I mentioned in the beginning, the price difference between the 1Dx and 5D3 is very large with the 1Dx costing TWICE as much as the 5D3. In regards to Night Photography alone, I don’t think the 1Dx’s abilities justifies that size price jump. In fact, bang for buck, I think the 5D2 is still the best “entry level choice” since used 5D2′s can be found on Craigslist for under $2k, as opposed to new 5D3′s at $3,500. However, if you want to be on the “front lines” of night shooting, an upgrade to the newer bodies is a must as it is evident their abilities to handle higher ISO’s has expanded considerably and is very exciting. If you have an older 5d2 and are considering a new camera- I think the 5D3 is a fantastic purchase if you are or want to be in Night Shooting. Get the 5D3 and save that other $3k for one or two L series lenses. However, if you do have the budget, and want the best, the 1Dx represents the cutting edge of Night Photography with a Canon camera."
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"f you allow me to rant further on- I do not think the 1Dx or 5D3 represent a “game changing” jump in night shooting. Years ago the 5D2 and Nikon D90 were literal game changers in their ability to controllably shoot much higher ISO’s than previously possible. Those cameras literally changed what was thought possible. The 1Dx and 5D3 provide substantial, exciting progress, but they won’t turn the world upside down. Looking to the future, if I could get my hands on the next camera advancement- having that NOW would probably blow my mind compared to the 5D2 and 1D4. Saying this, I realize how spoiled we have become with the rate of progress in our cameras. As mentioned, I discovered how to shoot stars on the very old Canon 30D body. With that camera, ISO 1600 was usually my limit and now the 1Dx is making ISO 12,800 possible?!? Our expanding ability to go out into the dark and bring back images is incredibly exciting and I have no doubt in 1-3 years I’ll enthusiastically be doing another test up on a mountain with new cameras and higher ISO’s."

BTW, this is my late cat, taken early this year at ISO 51k. ;-)


Shooting my Cat at ISO 51k by Peter Hauri, on Flickr


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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2013, 08:28:32 PM »
I use both, 1Dx & 5DMKIII, and I have 2 Bodies of each so I have some experience with your dilemma, which Camera will be best for you ??, depends on what you shoot.

Looking at your previous Posts, I would suggest the 5DMKIII might be the Camera for you unless you start to get into shooting in extreme conditions.

There really isn't (in my opinion) any real difference in Image IQ between the 1Dx & 5DMKIII, but there is a world of difference in the Conditional capability of the two Bodies, the 1Dx you can pretty well treat like dirt in Rain, Snow, Dust (I have) & the Camera keeps working, the 5DMKIII isn't any where near as well protected in the same conditions.

The 1Dx has a few extra bells & whistles, but that's what they are, bells & whistles, may or may not be of any real use, although I do find the 12 fps is exactly what I need in my own wildlife shooting.

It's great having an extra body, myself I always have one 1Dx set up with the 200-400f/4, the other with 70-200f/2.8 II and a 5DMKIII with the 24-70f/2.8 II, but is it really necessary ?/ only you can make this determination.

Someone earlier suggested using the money for other uses, a holiday, lenses etc, might not be a bad idea, it's nice to have that extra Body, but you need to really think hard on priorities if owning that extra Body is stretching the finances, Photography needs to be something stress free and enjoyable, hard if every time you pick up that extra body you feel it's somewhat superfluous.
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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2013, 07:28:17 AM »

BTW, this is my late cat, taken early this year at ISO 51k. ;-)


Cute cat.

What camera did you use to take the pictures?

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2013, 12:31:55 AM »
Thanks again for the comments. Just wanted to give a status update.

My original 5d3 is being reoplaced by a new one ( something was offi in the mirror box.

I have these few options.
Get another 5d3 for backup and be able to change lenses less.
Get the 16-35 and a 6d
Get the 16-35 and a 70d body and 100mm macro.

Leaning toward the 5d but unsure if there is a better way to spend $3k. I recently added a flash, got my 85mm 1.2 so really lens wise I only want a 16-35, 100l macro, 70-300l for trips and daylight shooting

Any suggestions.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2013, 12:36:03 AM »
I have 2 5D3's and a 1DX... honestly I use the 5D3's the majority of the time. I think they are a little more versatile for the events I shoot, mainly weddings and charity events. I checked your SmugMug profile it looks as if you like portraiture... the 5D3 is an outstanding portrait body and having two with a 24-70II and 70-200II is just about perfect. Especially when you grab one or the other and don't have to think for a second which body is which.
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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2013, 12:50:05 AM »

BTW, this is my late cat, taken early this year at ISO 51k. ;-)


Cute cat.

What camera did you use to take the pictures?
Per the Flickr link......5D3

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Re: 2 5d3's or 1d x
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2013, 12:54:18 AM »
I have 2 5D3's and a 1DX... honestly I use the 5D3's the majority of the time. I think they are a little more versatile for the events I shoot, mainly weddings and charity events. I checked your SmugMug profile it looks as if you like portraiture... the 5D3 is an outstanding portrait body and having two with a 24-70II and 70-200II is just about perfect. Especially when you grab one or the other and don't have to think for a second which body is which.

+1...and when there is almost no light, 35mm Sigma + 85L is also a deadly combo ;)
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2013, 01:03:00 AM »
+1...and when there is almost no light, 35mm Sigma + 85L is also a deadly combo ;)

Nice combo... I usually swap out the 24-70II for the 50L and go low profile with the 135L for a fast-ish tele. I love the AF on the 135 better than my 85L.