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What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« on: September 20, 2013, 05:01:53 AM »
I recently realized my 17-40L has this back filter holder :-p and I now even have though of a use for it: With my 10x glass screw-in nd filter I don't get long enough shutter times for cloud blur in bright daylight, so I'd like to add another gel nd filter.

Question: What nd gels do I get to put behind the 17-40L?

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What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« on: September 20, 2013, 05:01:53 AM »

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 05:10:57 AM »
What?...

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 05:14:39 AM »
What?...

What what? Did my elaborate English skills fail me? Are you familiar with the 17-40L?

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 05:32:19 AM »
I've got a nice b+w drop in gel I don't use with my 17-40 anymore. Willing to trade for a screw on front element filter for my 500 f4is.  :o

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 07:15:41 AM »
Well, I'll be damned - I got a lens with a rear filter holder. Thanks for sharing, I'm curious what this will bring us :)
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 07:34:42 AM »
Well, I'll be damned - I got a lens with a rear filter holder. Thanks for sharing

Don't be ashamed, I also wondered for some time what these four edgy things are for :-p

But I'm still open to any useful advice as for what gels work best for the back holder...

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 09:00:09 AM »
I did just fine with cloud blur using a screw-in B&W ND3.0 77mm on my 17-40L.  I got 30s and longer exposures with small apertures and low ISO.
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2013, 09:03:34 AM »
I did just fine with cloud blur using a screw-in B&W ND3.0 77mm on my 17-40L.  I got 30s and longer exposures with small apertures and low ISO.

I also tried/did that but a) 30s isn't much to blur slow moving clouds significantly, ymmv in a tornado, b) to get the longest exposure you have to max. close the aperture which means iq loss and will show every single speck of dust on your sensor.

So a+b = putting another 3 stop gel behind the lens shouldn't hurt if it's cheap and iq is ok... the question still is: which?

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2013, 09:23:13 AM »
Try the Marumi 16.5 stop ND filter.  I haven't had much luck stacking ND filters but the LEE 4x4 seems promising if I could ever get my hands on one.
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 09:29:20 AM »
Try the Marumi 16.5 stop ND filter.

Well, my budget is already maxed out with the Heliopan 10x nd, I only want a quick/cheap gel nd addon for some shots - for water blur & people removal 10x is fine.

Btw also adding an ir blocker to the gel holder would make sense in any case to avoid the color cast.

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2013, 10:16:58 AM »
I recently realized my 17-40L has this back filter holder :-p and I now even have though of a use for it: With my 10x glass screw-in nd filter I don't get long enough shutter times for cloud blur in bright daylight, so I'd like to add another gel nd filter.

Question: What nd gels do I get to put behind the 17-40L?

Dear Marsu42.
Per the Photos below---My DIY, The Cheapo one, I just cut the Milar or Clear Thin Plastic Box, and Paint with the Pink color Permanent Magic Felt Tip pen, and use for take the Photo in the Fluorescent light room---to get the Redish color of the Green/ Blue Picture from the Flu. Light------Yes Cheap and with out move the UV. protective filter in front of Lens.
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2013, 10:18:06 AM »
My DIY, The Cheapo one, I just cut the Milar or Clear Thin Plastic Box

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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 10:19:22 AM »
My DIY, The Cheapo one, I just cut the Milar or Clear Thin Plastic Box to use as the back of lens filter.
Yes, You can buy the Ready made plastic sheet color filters to cut and fit too.
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 11:13:30 AM »
I just dug out a test 25 second exposure with a B&W 10x shot with my 17-40 at f/4 ISO 100.   I lengthened the exposure to 138s at f/4 and ISO 100 to get more light in and more blur. 
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Re: What (nd) filter to put in the 17-40L back filter holder?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 11:28:28 AM »
For the best optical quality, you can use Kodak Wratten gels. Their #96 ND gels work well, and come in various densities. You have to cut them to size to fit your holder, and handle them with gloves or tweezers to prevent fingerprints.

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 11:28:28 AM »