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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2013, 08:11:32 AM »

The IS-version is (like the version II with no IS) not a parfocal lens and delivers the ugly 18 rays from small light sources with an aperture of 16, 22 and so on.

Maybe I'm missing something but which is this IS-Version that you are talking about?
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2013, 08:11:32 AM »

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »
I like that they actually cover up to a 24-80 f/2.8 IS in the patent series.

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2013, 09:16:26 AM »
I personally begged Canon to release the prototype.

If they won't do your bidding, what hope do we mere mortals have?  :-)
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2013, 09:26:29 AM »
If this rumor is true, the price tag will be huge - $2700plus ;)

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2013, 12:53:02 PM »
The one guy who says he switched to Nikon for their 24-70....uh....ok...? (*scratches head*)
I didn't switch to Nikon for their 24-70 specifically, if I had to name one thing it would be the AF of the D700 vs the AF of the 5DII(I did this over a year ago when the 5DIII was still $3500 and new 5DII's were around $2K.
I had an old 5DC with a 24-105, but I missed focus on half my shots and just constantly was disappointed when conditions were not perfect. I also like the pop up flash on the D700, it saves me from having to lug around a separate flash 90% of the time.
I traded my 5DC and lens for the 24-70 2.8 Nikon pretty much, then paid 1400 more for a used but basically mint D700. I think I made a huge upgrade from the 5DC and 24-105 without having to pay 5000 dollars. I hardly ever hear anyone say anything bad about the Nikon 24-70, and I've personally never used a better lens. The Canon might be sharper, but at this point, I wouldn't trade my Nikon 24-70 for anything less than a FF mirrorless system that is much smaller and lighter.
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2013, 01:53:50 PM »
Oh no... I'm sure that it will cost $2800 plus...
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2013, 02:07:11 PM »
To me, the requirement some seem have for IS on the 24-70 is somewhat difficult to understand and I wonder if it is based on real world experience or just theoretical thinking. When I first bought it, it replaced my 24-105 f4 IS as my standard walk-around lens, and I thought I would miss both the 70-105 range and IS. The truth is I don´t. I have a very low threshold for buying the latest and greatest, but I don´t see how IS on this lens would tempt me. Improved IQ would, but that will be quite difficult. Improved magnification, like the 24-70 f4 IS, would. But I am still able to hold my camera sufficiently still to get my shots also in low lights with this lens and I have other alternatives for macro. When IS would help, I always get something moving in the image anyway (experience from the 24-105), so it is ruined both with and without IS.

So, I have the 24-70 2.8L II, I am extremely happy with it and I am pretty confident that I will hang on to it after a potential release of an IS version.
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2013, 08:04:07 PM »
To me, the requirement some seem have for IS on the 24-70 is somewhat difficult to understand and I wonder if it is based on real world experience or just theoretical thinking. When I first bought it, it replaced my 24-105 f4 IS as my standard walk-around lens, and I thought I would miss both the 70-105 range and IS. The truth is I don´t. I have a very low threshold for buying the latest and greatest, but I don´t see how IS on this lens would tempt me.

About 2/3 of my shots with my 24-105 are taken below the 1/f rule, and I have taken shots as slow as 2-seconds handheld with that lens.  I normally consider 1/10th to be my limit at 105mm and 1/2 second at 24mm.  Which would you rather have, 1/2 second, ISO 800 or 1/30th ISO 12800 with the same motion blur?

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2013, 10:41:46 PM »
i'm much more excited about the Sigma F2.
I'm extremely tired of companies offering very small incremental changes over longggg periods of time. I'm not holding my breath for Canon to release what I want, I'm just moving on.
They easily could have made the 24-70 2.8 II an IS lens to begin with, which we all wanted and expected, especially for the price.  Had they made one, I probably would've bought a 5DIII and that lens(Instead of switching to Nikon who's 24-70 is amazing.)
At this point in time, I'm much more excited about 2.8 zooms and cheap bodies for the EOS M and a FF mirrorless.
I would not pay 2500 dollars for another DSLR lens as I'm very tired of the weight, and I'm not a pro. I'll probably just hold out and hope Sony can make a 24-50mm 2.8 in a size smaller than current 24-70 2.8's for the upcoming full frame mirrorless they're announcing.

Of course you realize if Sigma really does come out with a FF 24-70 f2.0 it is going to be a monster to carry around, right?  I expect it will be at least as big as the 70-200 2.8 II.

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2013, 11:51:41 PM »
i'm much more excited about the Sigma F2.
I'm extremely tired of companies offering very small incremental changes over longggg periods of time. I'm not holding my breath for Canon to release what I want, I'm just moving on.
They easily could have made the 24-70 2.8 II an IS lens to begin with, which we all wanted and expected, especially for the price.  Had they made one, I probably would've bought a 5DIII and that lens(Instead of switching to Nikon who's 24-70 is amazing.)
At this point in time, I'm much more excited about 2.8 zooms and cheap bodies for the EOS M and a FF mirrorless.
I would not pay 2500 dollars for another DSLR lens as I'm very tired of the weight, and I'm not a pro. I'll probably just hold out and hope Sony can make a 24-50mm 2.8 in a size smaller than current 24-70 2.8's for the upcoming full frame mirrorless they're announcing.

Of course you realize if Sigma really does come out with a FF 24-70 f2.0 it is going to be a monster to carry around, right?  I expect it will be at least as big as the 70-200 2.8 II.
I didn't say i'd buy the Sigma, I just said i'm much more excited about it than the next 3000 dollar Canon lens.
If Sigma does make a 24-70 F2, I seriously doubt it will be as big as the 70-200 2.8, that is just too big and not practical. I do not think that would be very succesful at all. I don't think that the rules of lens optics and size are entirely set in stone yet.
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2013, 02:59:14 AM »
what's wrong with 18-55 IS?  ::)
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Which unfortunately means the ef-s isn't sealed - L is not only about having a prestigious red ring, but a sturdy lens - avoiding a couple of repairs due to water or sand leaking into the lens will more than make up for the price difference.

I learned this the hard way after my 100mm non-L macro broke twice, while the L version doesn't twitch in whatever situation I use it in.

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2013, 03:32:08 AM »
I see the IS version in the range 2.199 up to 2.499 bucks and the Version II without IS from 1.699 up to 1749 bucks.

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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2013, 03:34:18 AM »
To me, the requirement some seem have for IS on the 24-70 is somewhat difficult to understand and I wonder if it is based on real world experience or just theoretical thinking. When I first bought it, it replaced my 24-105 f4 IS as my standard walk-around lens, and I thought I would miss both the 70-105 range and IS. The truth is I don´t. I have a very low threshold for buying the latest and greatest, but I don´t see how IS on this lens would tempt me.

About 2/3 of my shots with my 24-105 are taken below the 1/f rule, and I have taken shots as slow as 2-seconds handheld with that lens.  I normally consider 1/10th to be my limit at 105mm and 1/2 second at 24mm.  Which would you rather have, 1/2 second, ISO 800 or 1/30th ISO 12800 with the same motion blur?
Then we use them differently. I normally take pictures of things in motion, so to freeze that I need a decent shutter speed. I rarely go slower than 1/30s. And if I do, I normally use a tripod. So for me, IS is not important for this lens. If I did video I would think differently. If I did indoor, handheld, low light stills, I would think differently.
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2013, 10:43:55 AM »
Just a thought but as the original 24-70's launch was followed by that of the 24-105, could the 24-105 mkii be the next standard zoom we see?

And if yes is the answer, would it be a f/4.0 IS or a f2.8?
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Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2013, 10:43:55 AM »