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Love the look/sensor combo, wish Canon had something like this.
Nice look but still not there and over priced
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Re: Photos from 200-400. Also any comments...
« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2013, 09:39:17 PM »
Eldar, I'd rather be shown than assured.   :)
My particular interest is in bird photography, which is one of the fields in which the 200-400mm is being touted as ideal.
So far, the bird images I've seen taken with this lens all have that 'zoom lens look', lacking the crispness, contrast, colour rendition and bokeh of a high quality prime.
In my experience of reviewing hundreds of thousands of bird images online, these qualities are visible even at web sizes.
If you had to make a living shooting bird images, would you seriously choose your 200-400mm over a 500mm or 600mm prime?
I got the 200-400 f4L IS 1.4x for sports and wildlife. For this purpose I believe it is the ultimate lens (at the moment).

For birds I prefer the 600 f4L IS II, often combined with the 1.4xIII extender. But that is not because of optical quality, but for reach. I had the 400mm f2.8L IS II also earlier, but I sold it a while after I got the 200-400, because it is that good. But the 600 stays, because it is a phenomenal lens and it covers a different need.

I don´t know what it takes to convince you, but I have attached the color version of my avatar, shot with a 1DX at 560mm, f5.6, 1/200s and ISO400.
Absolutely lovely! Both the BW and colour versions are great.

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« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2013, 09:39:17 PM »

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« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2013, 10:23:47 PM »
Ok, this isn't a Bird in Flight, I know the difference.

But this Female Cheetah is running down a Thompson's Gazelle at somewhere between 80kph & 100kph, I'm no BIF photographer in any way, I leave that up to People like Gary Samples who does an excellent job of it, but I don't think too many BIF are any more difficult to Photograph than this situation. And I don't for one moment say that this Image is an amazing Cheetah in Flight Image, but the 200-400f/4 does this amazingly well and in this Image you have the disadvantage of Tall Grass to get in the way of the Lenses ability to focus on the subject, not something you generally have to worry too much about with BIF.

To shoot this with the 100-400f/4-5.6, you would need the 1.4x converter attached and then your shooting an Animal running @ 100kph @ f/8, not an impossible task I admit but a lot more difficult than it seems, but the 200-400f/4 in this instance was on the 1Dx 560mm f/5.6 1/2000th ISO800 and just handled it supremely well, I don't think the 100-400 could have done it as well, but, I didn't have the 100-400 so it's conjecture, based on experience, mine.

Could the 100-400 have done it, I'm sure it could have, I'm just glad I had the 200-400 instead so I was more sure of getting The Shot.
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« Reply #137 on: December 06, 2013, 12:20:51 AM »
We should call the 1DX+200-400 combo the "Safari Gun". The last thing you want to leave behind. (Maybe "Modern Safari Gun" if you want to be less ambiguous.)

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« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2013, 05:57:53 AM »
I don´t know what it takes to convince you, but I have attached the color version of my avatar, shot with a 1DX at 560mm, f5.6, 1/200s and ISO400.

Really Eldar, I thought the B&W was lovely, this is Superb, pity you didn't use the 100-400, you could have saved yourself....$15k ??

I have to come up there some time for some of these Lynx & Wolf Image opportunities, really Lovely stuff.
He looks a bit like the family dog, doesn't he? ;)
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« Reply #139 on: December 06, 2013, 08:40:46 AM »
He looks a bit like the family dog, doesn't he? ;)

I suppose so, if your into keeping a Wolf as a Family Pet, Beautiful Animal & a Lovely Capture.
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« Reply #140 on: December 06, 2013, 10:33:03 AM »
Why is there a poll for the Nikon DF at the top?
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« Reply #141 on: December 06, 2013, 12:25:01 PM »
He looks a bit like the family dog, doesn't he? ;)

I suppose so, if your into keeping a Wolf as a Family Pet, Beautiful Animal & a Lovely Capture.
I was about to mention yesterday that he reminded me of our silver German Shepard that we got in 85. And yes, they do have wolf in them. They need space. The flat was not good for it so he went off to a sheep farmer when he was 4.

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« Reply #142 on: December 06, 2013, 12:27:43 PM »
Ok, this isn't a Bird in Flight, I know the difference.

But this Female Cheetah is running down a Thompson's Gazelle at somewhere between 80kph & 100kph, I'm no BIF photographer in any way, I leave that up to People like Gary Samples who does an excellent job of it, but I don't think too many BIF are any more difficult to Photograph than this situation. And I don't for one moment say that this Image is an amazing Cheetah in Flight Image, but the 200-400f/4 does this amazingly well and in this Image you have the disadvantage of Tall Grass to get in the way of the Lenses ability to focus on the subject, not something you generally have to worry too much about with BIF.

To shoot this with the 100-400f/4-5.6, you would need the 1.4x converter attached and then your shooting an Animal running @ 100kph @ f/8, not an impossible task I admit but a lot more difficult than it seems, but the 200-400f/4 in this instance was on the 1Dx 560mm f/5.6 1/2000th ISO800 and just handled it supremely well, I don't think the 100-400 could have done it as well, but, I didn't have the 100-400 so it's conjecture, based on experience, mine.

Could the 100-400 have done it, I'm sure it could have, I'm just glad I had the 200-400 instead so I was more sure of getting The Shot.
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I wonder what this would look like with your newly acquired A7R ...
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« Reply #143 on: December 06, 2013, 07:41:30 PM »
I wonder what this would look like with your newly acquired A7R ...

Ha Ha !! Not a chance on a Cold Day in Hell, I doubt the EVF could keep up even with the Animal strolling, but once the actions over, and you want that Beautiful Panorama where the only thing moving are the leaves in the breeze ?? Maybe. I bought the a7r because I've never been Happy with the Canon M, and now v2 M is ...... the same as V1 really, so a7r for the Walk Around Camera in downtown Tokyo etc, plus I have a couple of Zeiss Lenses and I do Love the Zeiss Lenses. And so we convince ourselves.

Why is there a poll for the Nikon DF at the top?

Yes, Good question, I guess I've never noticed it until now.

And yes, they do have wolf in them. They need space. The flat was not good for it so he went off to a sheep farmer when he was 4.

Have you checked lately that the Sheep Farmer is still around ??

In Australia the German Shepard (The Dog I mean) was an illegal Animal from after the 1st World War until the 50's, It was felt that if the German Shepard's (with their Wolf Genes) got into the Dingo population in outback Australia we would have an interbred animal that was capable of devastating the Sheep population, at some point someone decided it was a fanciful idea and allowed the Dogs into Aus. We've had little luck in Aus with introduced species, Rabbits (the long eared variety), Rats, Cane Toads, Fox's, English People (As against the Good Scots & Irish types   ;) ), long line of disasters.
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« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2013, 12:41:41 AM »
And yes, they do have wolf in them. They need space. The flat was not good for it so he went off to a sheep farmer when he was 4.

Have you checked lately that the Sheep Farmer is still around ??

In Australia the German Shepard (The Dog I mean) was an illegal Animal from after the 1st World War until the 50's, It was felt that if the German Shepard's (with their Wolf Genes) got into the Dingo population in outback Australia we would have an interbred animal that was capable of devastating the Sheep population, at some point someone decided it was a fanciful idea and allowed the Dogs into Aus. We've had little luck in Aus with introduced species, Rabbits (the long eared variety), Rats, Cane Toads, Fox's, English People (As against the Good Scots & Irish types   ;) ), long line of disasters.
LOL!!! You forgot the Indians ;D But then you probably retired from Australia by then ;)

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« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2013, 11:51:37 AM »
Ok, this isn't a Bird in Flight, I know the difference.

But this Female Cheetah is running down a Thompson's Gazelle at somewhere between 80kph & 100kph, I'm no BIF photographer in any way, I leave that up to People like Gary Samples who does an excellent job of it, but I don't think too many BIF are any more difficult to Photograph than this situation. And I don't for one moment say that this Image is an amazing Cheetah in Flight Image, but the 200-400f/4 does this amazingly well and in this Image you have the disadvantage of Tall Grass to get in the way of the Lenses ability to focus on the subject, not something you generally have to worry too much about with BIF.

To shoot this with the 100-400f/4-5.6, you would need the 1.4x converter attached and then your shooting an Animal running @ 100kph @ f/8, not an impossible task I admit but a lot more difficult than it seems, but the 200-400f/4 in this instance was on the 1Dx 560mm f/5.6 1/2000th ISO800 and just handled it supremely well, I don't think the 100-400 could have done it as well, but, I didn't have the 100-400 so it's conjecture, based on experience, mine.

Could the 100-400 have done it, I'm sure it could have, I'm just glad I had the 200-400 instead so I was more sure of getting The Shot.

Even though you offered the concession that the 100-400 could have made that shot, I would argue that the 100-400 wouldn't be able to capture that shot.  Why?  Because the bokeh would look terrible as the 100-400 has a terrible time with grass/twigs in the background.  Anyone who comes onto this thread and claims all pictures taken with the 200-400 could have been taken with the 100-400 are either delusional or just plain jealous.
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« Reply #146 on: December 07, 2013, 07:25:35 PM »
Even though you offered the concession that the 100-400 could have made that shot, I would argue that the 100-400 wouldn't be able to capture that shot.  Why?  Because the bokeh would look terrible as the 100-400 has a terrible time with grass/twigs in the background.  Anyone who comes onto this thread and claims all pictures taken with the 200-400 could have been taken with the 100-400 are either delusional or just plain jealous.

Hi arbitrage, I in fact agree with you, it's a long while since I owned the 100-400, I remember it was a pretty good Lens, not great, but good (hated that push pull thing though) and I've seen a load of very good Images taken with that Lens, Mine just didn't seem to be among them, my comments previously are a result of experience combined with a need to keep my cool when faced with "delusional" statements from 3rd time Posters.

Haven't heard anything more from mikea, so I guess my guess may have been correct, his objective was to inflame, not to educate or enter into amiable discussion.

I do know I absolutely enjoy the 200-400f4 and my Imaging has improved with the combo of the 1Dx + 200-400f/4, Some People can pull absolutely wonderful Images out of a Box Brownie, I'm just not one of them, I like the gear, I enjoy it, newer the better, I'm sort of hopeless when it comes to new gear, I even own the a7r, not sure I like it a lot, but I do know I like it more than my Canon M.
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« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2013, 01:49:40 AM »
Why is there a poll for the Nikon DF at the top?

It went here by mistake. I am trying to delete it but do not know how. Could you guide?

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« Reply #148 on: December 08, 2013, 03:50:41 AM »
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