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Wedding-Trailer 5D Mark III mixed H.264 & Magic Lantern RAW
« on: September 28, 2013, 10:43:20 AM »
Another Wedding Film. Please give it a look and tell me what ya think, thanks a lot :)

Some of the scenes (mostly the sharper ones) are filmed using the Magic Lantern RAW-Hack

https://vimeo.com/75135208

All work did by myself. no helping hands ;)

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Wedding-Trailer 5D Mark III mixed H.264 & Magic Lantern RAW
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Re: Wedding-Trailer 5D Mark III mixed H.264 & Magic Lantern RAW
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 01:40:07 PM »
Very nice job!  But I think it's a bit long to be called a "trailer."  I mean if the trailer is 7:00 how long is the actual video going to be? 

What was your workflow with the RAW stuff?  Raw2DNG to Camera RAW to TIFF to QT7 to Prores?  That's usually what I do but I wasn't sure if there had been anymore advances in terms of workflow, haven't heard much about it recently.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 05:10:15 PM »
Hey,  thanks,

yes I actually find a short documentary of the complete day my main interest, the couple gets only the raw material and this trailer )an d some Photos). I don't have too much interest in animated pigeons and menus on a DVD or so  ;D so this get's a bit longer than a typical trailer.

My RAW process is similar to yours, exept I export to JPGs and add them to QT7 and then PRORES. Not really satisfying, but the results are outstanding :)

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Re: Wedding-Trailer 5D Mark III mixed H.264 & Magic Lantern RAW
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 05:23:02 PM »
Why, after converting to TIFF/JPG, you convert again? I just import the stills directly into the editing software...

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 06:11:13 AM »
Why, after converting to TIFF/JPG, you convert again? I just import the stills directly into the editing software...

Howto in FCPX? I'm not using Premiere..

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 08:46:23 AM »
FCPX can't handle TIFF or JPG??? Last time I worked with FC was a long time ago, but as I recall it could import stills... am I wrong?

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 10:22:05 AM »
I can import stills, but I wasn't able to import them as a sequence...

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 10:22:05 AM »

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Re: Wedding-Trailer 5D Mark III mixed H.264 & Magic Lantern RAW
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 12:08:52 PM »
Mmh... I'm quite sure there is a "nesting" function.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 03:39:05 PM »
Hey, just saw the trailer and I'd say a VERY solid effort!!
Enjoyable to watch and I think you captured the event well with a good story.

I'm curious, with shooting RAW, you have such a wide range of room with which to work as far as color grading goes...how did you come to go with the grade you ended up with? Rather than ultra or hyper realistic, it seems you used a soft and mellow color palate...to me, reminicent of some of the chemical treatments used for 70's type shots maybe...?

Anyway, caught me as different and was wanting your thought processes when doing your color grading.

About my only constructive criticism I'd offer is that I thought perhaps you used a bit much of the extreme shallow depth of field, and the constant racking of focus back and forth.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of it, and well, lets face it, if you're shooting low ambient light and you can't really put up video lights, you're gonna have to use fast glass and wide open apertures, but I find that you have to try to mix it just right...static shots or constant focus shots, not racking in and out of every shot in succession.

It is a criticism I'm giving myself (and will have to on my next video that I shot for a Bridal Pub crawl...on fast glass in dark bars and venues)...so, it is something on my mind lately and I'm having to watch it myself.

Also, on a couple of the outdoor shots, when you have the bride and groom together, panning by them on the bridge....I think you might have gone for a bit more depth of field to make sure both of their faces were in sharp focus.

Last thing...and I'm about to face this one myself. For post processing...like in the dancing reception scenes..I see a bit of noise there. Did you use any type of noise filter yet? I'm buying the Neat Video noise cleaner....I have been using FCPX, and it works there, but I'm about to switch and learn Premier so, I'm gonna buy the Premier one, but it works amazingly well...you might wanna look into it.

Alright, I lied, that wasn't the last thing.

I'm still hesitant to put ML on my 5D3 due to the alpha state of the software, and that you have to set a bootflag that you cannot turn off at this point....but I am wanting to go that way when I can.

I've been reading a lot about the workflow of taking the RAW through RAWdmg...and pretty much putting it straight through to Davinci Resolve Lite (free), which you can use to set up the footage, and then, use proxy footage to roundtrip it with FCPX or Premier. I'd want to go that route and save some time and not have to turn into TIFF or jpg, etc.

And Resolve is a MONSTER free software out there, for color grading. I'm still trying to learn it, but the tools you have there at your disposal give you so much ability to do interesting grades.

What did you do your color correction/grading in? Did you do it in FCPX or an external application.

Anyway..again, enjoyed the video and hope my suggestions/criticisms are taken as being constructive in nature, and believe me...I'm still learning a LOT myself, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Keep up the good work!!

cayenne

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 06:19:25 PM »
I donno much about video production, but I loved the style of this short documentary. Emotions of the day are well captured. Great work!
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 07:24:11 AM »
I donno much about video production, but I loved the style of this short documentary. Emotions of the day are well captured. Great work!

Thanks a lot!

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2013, 07:36:03 AM »
Hey, just saw the trailer and I'd say a VERY solid effort!!
Enjoyable to watch and I think you captured the event well with a good story.

I'm curious, with shooting RAW, you have such a wide range of room with which to work as far as color grading goes...how did you come to go with the grade you ended up with? Rather than ultra or hyper realistic, it seems you used a soft and mellow color palate...to me, reminicent of some of the chemical treatments used for 70's type shots maybe...?

Anyway, caught me as different and was wanting your thought processes when doing your color grading.

About my only constructive criticism I'd offer is that I thought perhaps you used a bit much of the extreme shallow depth of field, and the constant racking of focus back and forth.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of it, and well, lets face it, if you're shooting low ambient light and you can't really put up video lights, you're gonna have to use fast glass and wide open apertures, but I find that you have to try to mix it just right...static shots or constant focus shots, not racking in and out of every shot in succession.

It is a criticism I'm giving myself (and will have to on my next video that I shot for a Bridal Pub crawl...on fast glass in dark bars and venues)...so, it is something on my mind lately and I'm having to watch it myself.

Also, on a couple of the outdoor shots, when you have the bride and groom together, panning by them on the bridge....I think you might have gone for a bit more depth of field to make sure both of their faces were in sharp focus.

Last thing...and I'm about to face this one myself. For post processing...like in the dancing reception scenes..I see a bit of noise there. Did you use any type of noise filter yet? I'm buying the Neat Video noise cleaner....I have been using FCPX, and it works there, but I'm about to switch and learn Premier so, I'm gonna buy the Premier one, but it works amazingly well...you might wanna look into it.

Alright, I lied, that wasn't the last thing.

I'm still hesitant to put ML on my 5D3 due to the alpha state of the software, and that you have to set a bootflag that you cannot turn off at this point....but I am wanting to go that way when I can.

I've been reading a lot about the workflow of taking the RAW through RAWdmg...and pretty much putting it straight through to Davinci Resolve Lite (free), which you can use to set up the footage, and then, use proxy footage to roundtrip it with FCPX or Premier. I'd want to go that route and save some time and not have to turn into TIFF or jpg, etc.

And Resolve is a MONSTER free software out there, for color grading. I'm still trying to learn it, but the tools you have there at your disposal give you so much ability to do interesting grades.

What did you do your color correction/grading in? Did you do it in FCPX or an external application.

Anyway..again, enjoyed the video and hope my suggestions/criticisms are taken as being constructive in nature, and believe me...I'm still learning a LOT myself, so take it with a grain of salt.
:)

Keep up the good work!!

cayenne

Hey cayenne,

thanks for the kind words. I get these things right, as criticism is appropriate, cause I know everything is far from perfect. So, shots are mostly better if there is enough time to set camera and DoF correctly... but some of the scenes are resulting from only one possible shot, so they are not that good. Still learning each time too ;)

Colorgrading was done in After Effects, and yes, because the footage is so different, from nice to &%$*  ;) I decided to give all a touch of "vanillaroid".

I hesitate to set the bootflag on my 2nd Mark III too, because it is still in warranty...

I will give Neat Video a look!

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 10:05:01 AM »
great job :'(
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 10:16:18 AM »
btw, i also enjoyed your>Let's Get Lost In Summer - Backlight - with your dog - video<, even though i'm a cat person.

keep doing what your doing ;)
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 02:57:21 PM »
btw, i also enjoyed your>Let's Get Lost In Summer - Backlight - with your dog - video<, even though i'm a cat person.

keep doing what your doing ;)

Thanks a lot!

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