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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2013, 04:23:09 AM »
dont think its a million times better
its not even 3 times better to reflect the nutty price tag
it is a little better

but AF speed on a non 1D body is a big factor also physical size and coupled with the monster price difference....
from artistic point of view - it is significantly better. but, yes, art is a question of taste ;)

its highly subjective

and bokeh is unquantifiable however if you look at brians comparisons there is not alot in it
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-85mm-f-1.4-EX-DG-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx

the extra 1/3rd of a stop aperture probably plays a big part in the bokeh

but if you want bokeh over all else i think the 135L leave both 85s in its dust... and then there is the 200f2L IS... ;)

anyway i have never said the sigma is better than the canon 1.2 in any way other than AF speed
BUT
the differences are pretty marginal and not worth the massive price gulf between the two

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2013, 04:23:09 AM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2013, 04:38:37 AM »
its highly subjective

and bokeh is unquantifiable however if you look at brians comparisons there is not alot in it
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-85mm-f-1.4-EX-DG-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx

the extra 1/3rd of a stop aperture probably plays a big part in the bokeh

but if you want bokeh over all else i think the 135L leave both 85s in its dust... and then there is the 200f2L IS... ;)

anyway i have never said the sigma is better than the canon 1.2 in any way other than AF speed
BUT
the differences are pretty marginal and not worth the massive price gulf between the two
yes, it is subjective. and for me there is a huge difference in a place you (subjectively) don't see that ;)

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2013, 05:16:27 AM »
As I can see all 85mm primes are mostly equal in image quality.
I don't realy need AF. For action shots I have 100L and 70-200/4LIS. I am using 5D3.
I am considering Samyang, Sigma and Canon f/1.8. Canon f/1.2 and zeiss are out of price range.
I will be using it mostly 1.4-2.0 for shots from distance in dark conditions and low light video.
So my primary conserns are resolution (so I can crop image, if I only could afford 200 f/2) and manual operation.
As I can assume Samyang have better focusing ring? Are Sigma and Canon f/1.8 good for manual operation?

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2013, 05:24:46 AM »

but if you want bokeh over all else i think the 135L leave both 85s in its dust... and then there is the 200f2L IS... ;)

the differences are pretty marginal and not worth the massive price gulf between the two

The 135L isn't better or worse for creating out of focus backgrounds, it's is just different. It is a different angle of view, so a diferent amount of telephoto compression. If you want less, use a wide lens , which is why 85mm lenses are so popular these days for portraiture for adults, less compression which generally suits adults. Where as skinny models or teenagers tend to benefit from more compression.
The 85IIL offers slightly better background melting abilities, but offers simular effects as the 135L and 200mm f2.8 but at greatly reduced working distances.

Dimunishing returns is common place. My hi fi at home cost around £2.5K but to take it to the next marginal level will cost nearly double if no more. The 85IIL is better tahn the Sigma certainly in areas of colour fidelity, contrast, build (rack out an 85IIL and look though the rear element), engineering (the Canon uses automotive grade ball barings in it's AF system) and AF (slo but far more dependable than the Sigma AF system). My copy is over 6 years old and has endured a lot of hard wedding and landscape work...it still looks fresh as the day I bought it and is now worth more second hand than I paid for it...good luck with your Sigma in that regard.
Quality gear holds value and sometimes increases....look at Apple mac book pros, Rolex watches, Quad or Linn amplification, Canon L lenses are in the same bracket. There is a world of difference between a Sigma 85mm and a Canon 85IIL. 
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2013, 05:28:32 AM »
As I can see all 85mm primes are mostly equal in image quality.
I don't realy need AF. For action shots I have 100L and 70-200/4LIS. I am using 5D3.
I am considering Samyang, Sigma and Canon f/1.8. Canon f/1.2 and zeiss are out of price range.
I will be using it mostly 1.4-2.0 for shots from distance in dark conditions and low light video.
So my primary conserns are resolution (so I can crop image, if I only could afford 200 f/2) and manual operation.
As I can assume Samyang have better focusing ring? Are Sigma and Canon f/1.8 good for manual operation?
You are using 100L for action shots? Really?  :o
I mean, 100L is a great lens and I have one, but it has nothing to do with actions: micro-contrast and sharpness it has makes it good only for close-ups and macros.
Samyang... I haven't heard about any good product from them (regardless the fact they place red rings on their lenses)... are you?

Having good camera like 5D3 and investing in cheap and unreliable stuff like Samyang makes this camera useless.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2013, 06:10:01 AM »
100L is fine by me to track movement. Running people or bicycle, I don't shoot sport cars ar things like that.
 I haven't heard about any bad product from samyang. I used 35mm T1.5 VDSL once for video recording and it is marvelous. 85mm is just older product, but it have same quality.
My other option is 135L, but it's only f/2.0 and I don't know how good is it for manual focusing, but it's an option if considering  85mm f/1.8 from canon.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2013, 07:24:35 AM »
As I can see all 85mm primes are mostly equal in image quality.
I don't realy need AF. For action shots I have 100L and 70-200/4LIS. I am using 5D3.
I am considering Samyang, Sigma and Canon f/1.8. Canon f/1.2 and zeiss are out of price range.
I will be using it mostly 1.4-2.0 for shots from distance in dark conditions and low light video.
So my primary conserns are resolution (so I can crop image, if I only could afford 200 f/2) and manual operation.
As I can assume Samyang have better focusing ring? Are Sigma and Canon f/1.8 good for manual operation?
You are using 100L for action shots? Really?  :o
I mean, 100L is a great lens and I have one, but it has nothing to do with actions: micro-contrast and sharpness it has makes it good only for close-ups and macros.
Samyang... I haven't heard about any good product from them (regardless the fact they place red rings on their lenses)... are you?

Having good camera like 5D3 and investing in cheap and unreliable stuff like Samyang makes this camera useless.

I used the 100L for sports as well, tracking football players at all distances... and the lens is a champ when it comes to ai servo.  I had significantly more keepers than not.  I've since sold it... but indoor and our... works like a champ.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2013, 07:24:35 AM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2013, 10:43:23 AM »
I used the 100L for sports as well, tracking football players at all distances... and the lens is a champ when it comes to ai servo.  I had significantly more keepers than not.  I've since sold it... but indoor and our... works like a champ.
It's not I think 100L is not capable to do that, but it's not aimed to do that. IQ from 70-200F2.8IS m2 I love significantly more for this (again, except portraits and macros).

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2013, 11:01:57 AM »
Dear Friends.
Sorry, I am not the Real PRO, Just Past time  Hobby lover.
Here are the Sample of photos , by Canon 5D MK II, and Canon 85 mm. F/ 1.2 L MK II USM, at F = 1.2 ( for the  maximum Shallow DOF ), ISO = 100. Day Light, But use 4 ND filter.
Enjoy.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2013, 11:10:51 AM »
Dear Friends.
Sorry, I am not the Real PRO, Just Past time  Hobby lover.
Here are the Sample of photos , by Canon 5D MK II, and Canon 85 mm. F/ 1.2 L MK II USM, at F = 1.2 ( for the  maximum Shallow DOF ), ISO = 100. Day Light, But use 4 ND filter.
Enjoy.
Surapon
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 11:44:19 AM by surapon »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2013, 01:12:29 PM »
I was just able to snag a Canon 85 1.8 refurb on sale and am very impressed with it at 1.8... for $285...CANT go wrong..
 
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2013, 01:36:42 PM »
Sigma 85 comparing Canon 85 1.2 is crap. period.


Wow, with such a reasonable, coherent and well thought out argument such as that, I can't understand why I feel sorry for you.

Best not feed the trolls.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2013, 02:43:36 PM »
I've owned the both the Canon 1.2 L II and the Sigma. I sold the Canon and kept the Sigma.

Sigma pros:
vastly faster AF
actual manual AF
vastly better dust protection (with a filter on, the lens is effectively sealed)
around half the cost

Canon cons:
SLOW AF
drive by wire manual AF
large gap between body and the barrel that moves in and out while focusing (dust entry point)
high price

Canon pros:
half stop faster

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2013, 02:43:36 PM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2013, 05:01:54 PM »
I've owned the both the Canon 1.2 L II and the Sigma. I sold the Canon and kept the Sigma.

Sigma pros:
vastly faster AF
actual manual AF
vastly better dust protection (with a filter on, the lens is effectively sealed)
around half the cost

Canon cons:
SLOW AF
drive by wire manual AF
large gap between body and the barrel that moves in and out while focusing (dust entry point)
high price

Canon pros:
half stop faster

tie:
IQ

Did you experience any AF accuracy issues with the Sigma?
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2013, 08:29:45 PM »
There is alot of red ring snobbery around and especially so here.

sometimes it gets annoying fact is both sigma and tamron have vastly stepped up their game in recent years
I have been burnt by tamron in the past and so am still reluctant to go down that road again
sigma i am very cautious about because there is alot of hate out there for them so i carefully check out reviews and experiences and i test the lens before i buy and i only buy sigma lens from a store i trust that i can return it to if i have problems. I have the 35 the 50 and 85.

while the 50 has good iq its AF accuracy is terrible i've given up using 50mm lenses on canon there is nothing good out there IMO the nikkor 50 f1.4G runs rings around everything (im discounting MF lenses here, not interested in MF with DoF this shallow)

the sigma 35 and 85 however are stellar I definately cant complain about focus accuracy on either lens
although as i always state my 85 was heavily front focusing when new but sigma recalibrated it for me and it is now good as gold.

simple fact is when looking at an 85

if you want super cheap and AF = canon 85 f1.8
if you dont care what it costs and want absolute best IQ widest aperture and smoothest bokeh = canon 85 1.2L II not to be confused with the mk1 which the sigma blows away entirely. (but i'm sure someone will argue this is not the case )
if you want IQ so close to the L II its not significant at a good price and faster AF then the sigma 85 1.4 is the best choice

if you are only looking at video then the samyang cine 85 is probably going to be the best bang for buck
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2013, 08:29:45 PM »