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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2013, 11:00:27 AM »
I've taken this picture at a judo tournament using a Canon 50D with a Canon 24-70 f/2.8 (mark I). I had to shoot at ISO 3200 because of the bad light. This adds a lot of noise to the picture.

What f-stop did you use? In my humble opinion, you've got way too much depth of field there, which makes me think you did not photographed this at 70mm f/2.8 ...
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2013, 12:16:36 PM »
I've taken this picture at a judo tournament using a Canon 50D with a Canon 24-70 f/2.8 (mark I). I had to shoot at ISO 3200 because of the bad light. This adds a lot of noise to the picture.

What f-stop did you use? In my humble opinion, you've got way too much depth of field there, which makes me think you did not photographed this at 70mm f/2.8 ...

I  was guessing  he was a good distance away from the action and cropped the composition...  which would explain the  depth of field while at f2.8.
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 12:52:56 PM »
I  was guessing  he was a good distance away from the action and cropped the composition...  which would explain the  depth of field while at f2.8.

... and thus the more pronounced sensor noise.
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2013, 03:08:01 PM »
Once again, thanks for all the suggestions.

I was shooting at f 2.8. I was almost sitting on the tatami (unfortunately that's not always the case). I cropped the image.

I've read that the 6D isn't really considered suitable for sports because of its AF and low continuous shooting rate.

It will be hard to decide which lens with fixed focal length will be most suitable for my needs.


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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013, 03:37:20 PM »
Once again, thanks for all the suggestions.

I was shooting at f 2.8. I was almost sitting on the tatami (unfortunately that's not always the case). I cropped the image.

I've read that the 6D isn't really considered suitable for sports because of its AF and low continuous shooting rate.

It will be hard to decide which lens with fixed focal length will be most suitable for my needs.

post the original image so we can get a sense of how much you cropped.   and then it might make more sense.
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2013, 03:38:54 PM »
The 6D AWB can sometimes be a bit off, especially in that weird auditorium light.

1/160, f/4, ISO 6400, 70-200 f/4L USM


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For Judo, the 6D would probably be fine, but for football/basketball, etc. not so much.  I think the 5d3 or 7D and a nice prime/2.8 zoom would suit you nicely. 
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2013, 03:49:26 PM »
The 6D AWB can sometimes be a bit off, especially in that weird auditorium light.

1/160, f/4, ISO 6400, 70-200 f/4L USM


A quick dropper fix.


For Judo, the 6D would probably be fine, but for football/basketball, etc. not so much.  I think the 5d3 or 7D and a nice prime/2.8 zoom would suit you nicely.

It isn't the camera, it is the lights. At 1/160th second you are beating the light pulses. Select an appropriate WB value and keep exposure to 1/60 max and the exposure encompasses a complete light pulse. Easy for your shot, not so easy with indoor sports.

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/flicker_lapse.gif

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/wb_experiment_large.jpg

http://www.sportsshooter.com/guyrhodes/wbtests/pages/3.html
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2013, 04:11:50 PM »
The 6D AWB can sometimes be a bit off, especially in that weird auditorium light.

1/160, f/4, ISO 6400, 70-200 f/4L USM


A quick dropper fix.


For Judo, the 6D would probably be fine, but for football/basketball, etc. not so much.  I think the 5d3 or 7D and a nice prime/2.8 zoom would suit you nicely.

It isn't the camera, it is the lights. At 1/160th second you are beating the light pulses. Select an appropriate WB value and keep exposure to 1/60 max and the exposure encompasses a complete light pulse. Easy for your shot, not so easy with indoor sports.

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/flicker_lapse.gif

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/wb_experiment_large.jpg

http://www.sportsshooter.com/guyrhodes/wbtests/pages/3.html

 interesting.  I  guess my  shoot a  cup at the beginning and  then just  use that wb  is full of crap.   Damn it. 
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2013, 04:46:16 PM »
Herewith the original image:



and these were the settings:



Maybe, I could have chosen a lower ISO value but that would lower the shutter speed and I would risk having motion blur.

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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2013, 04:55:22 PM »
Taking the white balance from the door isn't probably a good idea. The doors aren't white compared to the kimono on the chair behind the referee or the piece of paper above the spectators on the left.
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2013, 05:26:56 PM »

It isn't the camera, it is the lights. At 1/160th second you are beating the light pulses. Select an appropriate WB value and keep exposure to 1/60 max and the exposure encompasses a complete light pulse. Easy for your shot, not so easy with indoor sports.

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/flicker_lapse.gif

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/wb_experiment_large.jpg

http://www.sportsshooter.com/guyrhodes/wbtests/pages/3.html

Great info!  I've had problems in this type of environment before and never knew what I was doing wrong.  Thank you!

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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »

It isn't the camera, it is the lights. At 1/160th second you are beating the light pulses. Select an appropriate WB value and keep exposure to 1/60 max and the exposure encompasses a complete light pulse. Easy for your shot, not so easy with indoor sports.

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/flicker_lapse.gif

http://www.guyrhodes.com/photo/wb_experiment_large.jpg

http://www.sportsshooter.com/guyrhodes/wbtests/pages/3.html

Great info!  I've had problems in this type of environment before and never knew what I was doing wrong.  Thank you!

Yes....it's common.  I'll shoot a 20 something frame burst in a indoor sport venue like this with the 1dx and get some odd white balance fluctuations within the burst group.   Lucky for us that our editing tools are so good now days.  WB is a relatively easy fix.
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »

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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2013, 07:35:15 PM »
Herewith the original image:



and these were the settings:



Maybe, I could have chosen a lower ISO value but that would lower the shutter speed and I would risk having motion blur.

Arsenal....your settings are pretty good IMO...you can't go lower than 1/400....1/500 is my personal bare min for action sports, so the ISO going higher is your only choice.  RAW is helpful in this situation though when editing.

Someone mentioned black and white...it does help in this situation.  I also cropped and and did a minor edit on your image....3 minutes on my iPad.  For sports I love a wider image crop...personal opinion.
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Re: Advice on low light indoor sports photo's
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2013, 05:11:09 AM »
27mm ... I'd say use a longer focal length, which will mean less cropping and more opportunity for decent pixels to absorb the noise pixels. (And, yeah, reflexes that will put a cat to shame sure helps!)
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2013, 05:11:09 AM »