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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2013, 12:25:26 PM »
I tend to agree that everyone needs to calm down about this lens not having AF.  I don't think this lens was designed for the type of application where fast and accurate AF would be a big help.  In the video by Zeiss it seems like they are aiming for Medium Format type image quality.  If you take into account the 4k for this lens and the cost of a FF body such as a D800 or upcoming large MP body from Canon, it would end up costing a lot less than a MF kit (which typically aren't used in circumstances where fast and accurate AF is needed.)  Just my thoughts.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2013, 12:25:26 PM »

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2013, 01:16:09 PM »
I could have written a better review!

Permit me to disagree.

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Allow me to support the latest speaker ;)

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2013, 06:55:17 PM »
the thing about the Canon fifties is that they are a compromise... af  on  all,  excellent image sharpness when stopped down to 2.8,  decent bokeh,  but better on the 1.2,  but no is.

 so what I want is to buy a 1.2  or 1.4 50mm  that I can use wide open that is sharp and with a beautiful bokeh...  and I really want af  and I can do without is,  but I'd like that too.   sho Canon needs to get off their duffs  and make that happen...  and I'd happily pay $2000 ish for that lens.

The 50L is not a compromise. Apparently, IS on f/1.2 is technically impossible now. The 50L is designed for bokeh, not for sharpness. Even Zeiss says that you cannot have both (in their "bokeh" document).

 I've heard that from multiple sources,  but people  live the  Canon 85's   and the 135 L for their sharpness and the bokeh...
 and the sigma 35  gets a ton of praise for being sharp wide open...  and I  know we are  comparing apples to  oranges,  but I just can't seem to accept that it  has to be one or the other
+1 here. 85L is amazingly sharp wide open.

-1.

Longer lenses are easier to be made sharper. The 85L is sharp enough wide open but not really sharp, with strong PF and reduced contrast. The 135L is long and f/2. The Sigma 35 has really poor bokeh.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2013, 04:10:25 AM »
the thing about the Canon fifties is that they are a compromise... af  on  all,  excellent image sharpness when stopped down to 2.8,  decent bokeh,  but better on the 1.2,  but no is.

 so what I want is to buy a 1.2  or 1.4 50mm  that I can use wide open that is sharp and with a beautiful bokeh...  and I really want af  and I can do without is,  but I'd like that too.   sho Canon needs to get off their duffs  and make that happen...  and I'd happily pay $2000 ish for that lens.

The 50L is not a compromise. Apparently, IS on f/1.2 is technically impossible now. The 50L is designed for bokeh, not for sharpness. Even Zeiss says that you cannot have both (in their "bokeh" document).

 I've heard that from multiple sources,  but people  live the  Canon 85's   and the 135 L for their sharpness and the bokeh...
 and the sigma 35  gets a ton of praise for being sharp wide open...  and I  know we are  comparing apples to  oranges,  but I just can't seem to accept that it  has to be one or the other
+1 here. 85L is amazingly sharp wide open.

Longer lenses are easier to be made sharper. The 85L is sharp enough wide open but not really sharp, with strong PF and reduced contrast. The 135L is long and f/2. The Sigma 35 has really poor bokeh.


My 85IIL is very sharp wide open, my copy seems to be a stellar copy. It's nearly as sharp as my 100mm L IS Macro. Even my 135L isn't as sharp as my 85IIL. It's contrast is fantastic, so I would question the copy which you are using, it must be out of spec. Yes it has Purple fringing in specuatular highlights (no where else) which is easily correctable in LR. The 50 f1.2L is a nice lens but it's sharpness is certainly lacking wide open.

135L = sharp wide open
100L = sharp wide open
85IIL = sharp wide open
50L  = not particularly sharp wide open
35L = sharp wide open
24IIL = sharp wide open

Which lens is the odd ball here? Ok, this may be my lens samples..but my 2nd photographer has the same kit and her 100L is a bit sharper than mine, but my 85IIL is sharper than hers...her 50L is a wee bit sharper than mine...but they are both the softest lens in our lens collection by a noticable margin. It's softer than any of our zooms or other primes.
As a L lens, the 50L is well built, it's AF is curiously slower than the 35L. The elements aren't that big. It' AF is certainly accurate, just a little slow to react. My mkI 24-70L is a lot snappier.
The 50L offers great flare handling, great contrast, nice out of focus rendering (bokeh is a term which only references out of focus highlight blobs). But it's sharpness isn't in the same league as my other lenses.


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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2013, 08:18:59 AM »
This is an interesting article about the Zeiss 135 vs Canon 135, http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/04/zeiss-ze-135mm-f2-vs-canon-135mm-f2l

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2013, 09:33:18 AM »
 here's a stupid question...  with sigma suffering  auto focus issues but reportedly great  image quality...  why don't the  manual focus crowd gravitate to sigma as a value option and simply use it as a manual focus lens?
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »
here's a stupid question...  with sigma suffering  auto focus issues but reportedly great  image quality...  why don't the  manual focus crowd gravitate to sigma as a value option and simply use it as a manual focus lens?

I think it would need to "feel" like a £3K before anyone would touch it :D

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2013, 11:19:38 AM »
here's a stupid question...  with sigma suffering  auto focus issues but reportedly great  image quality...  why don't the  manual focus crowd gravitate to sigma as a value option and simply use it as a manual focus lens?

The manual focus on Zeiss does not compare with that of any other auto focus brand.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2013, 11:33:03 AM »
here's a stupid question...  with sigma suffering  auto focus issues but reportedly great  image quality...  why don't the  manual focus crowd gravitate to sigma as a value option and simply use it as a manual focus lens?

The manual focus on Zeiss does not compare with that of any other auto focus brand.

+1

One of the reasons that Zeiss glass is so popular with the video crowd...

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2013, 11:34:29 AM »
here's a stupid question...  with sigma suffering  auto focus issues but reportedly great  image quality...  why don't the  manual focus crowd gravitate to sigma as a value option and simply use it as a manual focus lens?

The Sigma has onion bokeh.. great lens but if bokeh is your thing you may be disappointed ..

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2013, 11:55:39 AM »
This lens is not an L lens, it's not casual AF lens. It's a speciality lens made with real image quality in mind.
Who cares if it doesn't have AF. And if you don't like the price there are many other "good" lenses with AF in a cheaper price range.

There are many who appreciate this lens.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2013, 12:39:11 PM »
This lens is not an L lens, it's not casual AF lens. It's a speciality lens made with real image quality in mind.
Who cares if it doesn't have AF. And if you don't like the price there are many other "good" lenses with AF in a cheaper price range.

There are many who appreciate this lens.

+1

It's a master piece of optical engineering,it has a lot in common with the Zeiss master anamorphics.. No canon L lenses can match it's wide open performance except for the best of the great whites,namely the 200f2 (I owned one for 3yrs)and up and the especially mk2 versions of the super tele's.

It's not for everyone but Zeiss knew this when they gave Dr Hubert Nasse the go ahead to design and build it,at a push I would say indie film makers will be in for it,it's a fraction of the price of the Zeiss masters..it is what it is ,an expensive  niche lens high on performance and low on versatility .. very focused piece of kit. (and still almost half the price of the Cron 50 APO)

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2013, 01:52:43 PM »
This lens is not an L lens, it's not casual AF lens. It's a speciality lens made with real image quality in mind.
Who cares if it doesn't have AF. And if you don't like the price there are many other "good" lenses with AF in a cheaper price range.

There are many who appreciate this lens.

+1

It's a master piece of optical engineering,it has a lot in common with the Zeiss master anamorphics.. No canon L lenses can match it's wide open performance except for the best of the great whites,namely the 200f2 (I owned one for 3yrs)and up and the especially mk2 versions of the super tele's.

It's not for everyone but Zeiss knew this when they gave Dr Hubert Nasse the go ahead to design and build it,at a push I would say indie film makers will be in for it,it's a fraction of the price of the Zeiss masters..it is what it is ,an expensive  niche lens high on performance and low on versatility .. very focused piece of kit. (and still almost half the price of the Cron 50 APO)

Exactly

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2013, 04:49:15 PM »
All this bashing about no AF is simply silly. 
Seriously, just because you do not understand something gives you no cause to bash it.

It's not remotely silly, and I do understand their strategy.  Their strategy is to design more affordable lenses that DO autofocus, and let the likes of Fuji and Sony use them on their cameras.  But when it comes to Nikon and Canon...for some reason they think those shooters prefer manual focus.  We don't, and it's not "silly".  What's silly is a $4000 55mm lens, be it manual or autofocus...no matter how sharp it is.  I'm no stranger to Zeiss EF mount lenses, I have rented two, and would like to purchase a third.  However, the one I want is an ultra wide angle, mostly for landscape...where manual focus makes more sense.  It doesn't make much sense at 55mm.  Sure there are people who like to manually focus these lenses, but how many of them are using lenses that actually do autofocus, and simply using them in the manual mode?  Most of them.  Choice is nicer than no choice, and it's not silly.

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Re: Zeiss Otus 55 f/1.4 APO-Distagon Review by B&H Photo
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2013, 04:55:14 PM »
All this bashing about no AF is simply silly. 
Seriously, just because you do not understand something gives you no cause to bash it.

It's not remotely silly, and I do understand their strategy.  Their strategy is to design more affordable lenses that DO autofocus, and let the likes of Fuji and Sony use them on their cameras.  But when it comes to Nikon and Canon...for some reason they think those shooters prefer manual focus.  We don't, and it's not "silly".  What's silly is a $4000 55mm lens, be it manual or autofocus...no matter how sharp it is.  I'm no stranger to Zeiss EF mount lenses, I have rented two, and would like to purchase a third.  However, the one I want is an ultra wide angle, mostly for landscape...where manual focus makes more sense.  It doesn't make much sense at 55mm.  Sure there are people who like to manually focus these lenses, but how many of them are using lenses that actually do autofocus, and simply using them in the manual mode?  Most of them.  Choice is nicer than no choice, and it's not silly.
I agree with you on the focal length.  I find wide and long lenses the easiest to manually focus with which is why my 50 1.2 went off to eBay land.  I'm looking forward to their next Otus lens, hopefully it will be the 21mm.  Not sure I would pay that much for it, but maybe if it's out of this world. 
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