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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2013, 04:00:37 AM »
I wish someone would come out and be the devil's advocate, and there would be an interesting FF vs APS-C war. Unfortunately, everyone is (accurately) toe-ing the line that there's no competition between the combinations.
Even to be a "devils advocate" there should be some merit in the case (and case was about the quality of 7D+17-55 vs 5D III + 24-70 L II) ... we cannot be idiotic just for the sake of argument to support something we know isn't a fact ... so the question of "toe-ing the line" does not even arise.

Clearly, irony is lost on you...
Clearly speculation is your forte...

What did I speculate?
Hundreds of posts on these forums have been consumed by idiotic discussions of FF vs APS-C initiated by people posting just for the sake of argument. I pointed out that everyone in this case was being accurate in pointing out there is no competition between the 5DIII/24-70 vs 7D/17-55, which is a rare sight. The fact that this is also my own view, is clearly reflected in the second paragraph of my original comment, which you neglected to quote.
I was being ironic in stating I wish there was someone going against the tide and providing some forum-fight. Now, where is the speculation?
I believe you completely misunderstood my post and missed the irony, and compounded that error by making this last meaningless comment.
I don't like unnecessary unpleasantness on anonymous forums, so I'd stop here. But please refrain from commenting if you don't understand what is being said.
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2013, 04:46:32 AM »
Full frame?  Full frame of what?  What is medium or large format then?  Do folks mean the 135/leica/minature format?

I've looked into my crystal ball, and yep, the spirits are telling me that a much more expensive much more recently designed camera and lens combo will be better than the older, substantially cheaper combo.

I nearly fell off my chair.

I bet all the 5D3 + 24-70 f2.8II owners are really delighted with that revelation.

I asked the spirits about the law of diminishing returns and about kit versus ability / technique, they said 'get the light right' and 'get out with your camera more'.

There is a 7D thread on here for pics taken only with a 7D and it demonstrates perfectly what an obselete peice of embarrassing junk the 7D is.  Canon actually wrote to me and asked me to file their brand logo off of the flash top.

I can only look with green eyed envy at the 5D3 users, for whom every image is a peach, to the point where I often see folk buying a 5D3 and instantly becoming wedding photographers, no tuition or anything required.




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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2013, 05:59:11 AM »
I wish someone would come out and be the devil's advocate, and there would be an interesting FF vs APS-C war. Unfortunately, everyone is (accurately) toe-ing the line that there's no competition between the combinations.
Even to be a "devils advocate" there should be some merit in the case (and case was about the quality of 7D+17-55 vs 5D III + 24-70 L II) ... we cannot be idiotic just for the sake of argument to support something we know isn't a fact ... so the question of "toe-ing the line" does not even arise.

Clearly, irony is lost on you...
Clearly speculation is your forte...

What did I speculate?
Hundreds of posts on these forums have been consumed by idiotic discussions of FF vs APS-C initiated by people posting just for the sake of argument. I pointed out that everyone in this case was being accurate in pointing out there is no competition between the 5DIII/24-70 vs 7D/17-55, which is a rare sight. The fact that this is also my own view, is clearly reflected in the second paragraph of my original comment, which you neglected to quote.
I was being ironic in stating I wish there was someone going against the tide and providing some forum-fight. Now, where is the speculation?
I believe you completely misunderstood my post and missed the irony, and compounded that error by making this last meaningless comment.
I don't like unnecessary unpleasantness on anonymous forums, so I'd stop here. But please refrain from commenting if you don't understand what is being said.
I commented on your last line i.e. "Clearly, irony is lost on you" ... but you obviously didn't get it and are still speculating about why there wasn't any "forum-fight" about EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D when "Hundreds of posts on these forums have been consumed by idiotic discussions of FF vs APS-C initiated by people posting just for the sake of argument" ::) etc etc ... so take your own advice and "please refrain from commenting if you don't understand what is being said". Meanwhile you should be happy coz your wish is granted i.e. "providing some forum-fight;) Peace
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2013, 06:14:57 AM »
There is no doubt: Get the 24-70 2.8 II and you never regret it.

1. Most EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS lenses are really good, but non of them can reach the IQ of the 24-70 2.8 II. At f/2.8 and over f/11 the 24-70 2.8 II totally outperforms the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS.

2. DonĀ“t compare old APS-C cameras with new FF cameras

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2013, 06:21:25 AM »
im lazy to read any other personal rant or insults.. just wanna share, i have both the set up(almost) mention above..

im a wedding photographers and i started with a crop set up, efs 17-55 F2.8 + 550d + 85mm f1.8 , then move on to upgrade a 5d mkiii + ef 24-70mm f2.8, even tested the tamron 24-70mm f2.8 vc head to head review before selling it...

and im using them on different purposes, 24-70MMii + mark III has the best of canon has to offer for wide aperture zoom that has amazing image quality and sharpness.... best investment i made... but it get sucky when u shoot video or shooting close distant subject .eg... a ring or wedding details at close to its MFD... (now im using an electronic extension hood + manual focus, more reliable)

while efs 17-55mm f2.8 has one of the best IS enable zoom for video and close distance shot....

fyi though canon stock firmware is fuck up, i use magic lantern on my crop body for extra features depends on..

but in the end i sold off my efs 17-55, and got myself a 135mm F2... and planning to get a 10-22mm for video use on the crop...


ps: tamron 24-70mm f2.8 vc actually has best of both world, sharp image, and IS for video, not to mention sharp close distance shooting.. but its suck at QC , i change 3 units to finally get one that has no QC issue.. decide to sell it off ,

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2013, 02:55:35 PM »
f2.8 is f2.8 irrespective of FF vs crop.

However, 5d3 will preserve higher a higher bit-rate and preserve more detail in shots ALWAYS than a 7d, particularly at higher ISOs so 24-70 +5d3 will always be better than 7d + 17-55. The only exeception is if and when you need IS (like video) when the IS of the 17-55 would be better. I personally have never found the colour rendition on the 17-55 to be great where as the 24-70 ii is fantastic.
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2013, 03:55:28 PM »
f2.8 is f2.8 irrespective of FF vs crop.

True, because the f/number is a property intrinsic to the lens.  However, if you frame a shot identically on APS-C and FF with the same focal length lens, you'd need an f/1.8 lens on APS-C to match the DoF of f/2.8 on FF.  Not a lots of options in the f/1.8 zoom lens category...
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2013, 07:09:46 PM »
If I were you, I'd sell the 7d and 17-55 to get a 6d...
You'll see why after you get your 24-70 ii! ;)

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2013, 01:55:21 PM »
Actually there is a 1.8f-stop zoom for crop frame cameras.  The new sigma 18-35mm and I have seen some sample images and it seems nothing short of amazing.  At least to me.

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2013, 01:58:36 PM »
Actually there is a 1.8f-stop zoom for crop frame cameras.  The new sigma 18-35mm and I have seen some sample images and it seems nothing short of amazing.  At least to me.

Yes, that's why I stated, "Not a lot of options," as opposed to, "No options." 
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2013, 06:53:55 PM »
After playing with the EF24-70II with 5D3 and EF-S17-55 with 7D, I am completely convinced to sell my EF-S17-55mm. I found out that I am not missing the IS feature and although EF-S17-55 produces sharp images, the images taken by EF24-70II+5D3 pleases my wife more than the EF-S17-55+7D. I gave her multiple image comparisons without letting her know which one is taken by which set and out of 14 pair images, she selected 12 pairs from the 5D+24-70II. She claims that the "images appear livelier"

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2013, 07:22:56 PM »
Keep the 7D, sell the 17-55/2.8 IS and buy Sigma 18-35/1.8. That Sigma is as sharp or sharper than most Canon L primes. Definitelly at the same level with the Canon 24-70/2.8 II.

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2013, 07:41:14 PM »
Full frame?  Full frame of what?  What is medium or large format then?  Do folks mean the 135/leica/minature format?

I've looked into my crystal ball, and yep, the spirits are telling me that a much more expensive much more recently designed camera and lens combo will be better than the older, substantially cheaper combo.

I nearly fell off my chair.

I bet all the 5D3 + 24-70 f2.8II owners are really delighted with that revelation.

I asked the spirits about the law of diminishing returns and about kit versus ability / technique, they said 'get the light right' and 'get out with your camera more'.

There is a 7D thread on here for pics taken only with a 7D and it demonstrates perfectly what an obselete peice of embarrassing junk the 7D is.  Canon actually wrote to me and asked me to file their brand logo off of the flash top.

I can only look with green eyed envy at the 5D3 users, for whom every image is a peach, to the point where I often see folk buying a 5D3 and instantly becoming wedding photographers, no tuition or anything required.

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2013, 08:16:37 PM »
Full frame?  Full frame of what?  What is medium or large format then?  Do folks mean the 135/leica/minature format?

I like big sensors, but 135mm would be too big even for me. I will stick with FF.

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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2013, 09:45:23 PM »
If image quality for photos is the only criteria, 24-70II wins easily - but consider the other PROs and CONs.

17-55mm f/2.8 IS PROs:
-Lighter & smaller; even moreso as it is mounted to a crop camera which will be lighter and smaller than FF.
-Image stabilization: can help camera shake in low light, also good for videos
-Good travel lens/non-critical tasks... There may be times you don't want to take $5000+ worth of equipment out with you
-Overall good image quality
-Economical
-More common 77mm filter thread

17-55mm f/2.8 IS CONs:
-Comparatively, image quality no match for 24-70 II.  Will be more noise and less detail.
-24-70 II on FF will give you more DOF options to isolate subject moreso than the 17-55
-Build quality not as good as 24-70 II
-No weatherproofing

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24-70 f/2.8 II PROs:
-Fantastic image quality on all fronts, blows away 17-55 on crop
-Great build quality
-Highly resistant to dust and water

24-70 f/2.8 II CONs:
-Lacks image stabilization, may require more skill/effort to get good shots, not as good for video
-Heavier/bigger
-Expensive, if not overpriced
-Larger 82mm filter thread, though this is one reason the image quality is better

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So, if image quality is paramount, the 24-70 II wins easily. But there are other factors too as outlined above, which may make it worthwhile to keep both.  If I were just out casually snapping photos, I might pick the 17-55.  If I was doing something professionally-related, I'd probably go for the 24-70 II.
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Re: Questions on EF 24-70mm II on 5D Mk3 vs EF-S 17-55mm on 7D
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