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Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« on: October 15, 2013, 11:52:17 PM »
Getting ready to order my 24-70 f/2.8 II and want to include a protective filter with my order.  I haven't read about any vignetting with this lens using a standard filter but want to make sure I don't need the thin version.  Can someone please confirm if a standard filter works without vignetting?

Looking at either:
- B+W 82mm XS-Pro UV MRC-Nano 010M Filter
- B+W 82mm UV Haze MRC 010M Filter

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Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 12:33:06 AM »
Getting ready to order my 24-70 f/2.8 II and want to include a protective filter with my order.  I haven't read about any vignetting with this lens using a standard filter but want to make sure I don't need the thin version.  Can someone please confirm if a standard filter works without vignetting?

Looking at either:
- B+W 82mm XS-Pro UV MRC-Nano 010M Filter
- B+W 82mm UV Haze MRC 010M Filter

Thanks

No problem. The XS-Pro MRC-nano repels dirt and grease insanely well.
I'm using the B+W 82mm 007 Clear MRC-nano  XS-Pro DIGITAL and the B+W 82mm KSM C-POL MRC F-PRO.

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 01:11:39 AM »
Getting ready to order my 24-70 f/2.8 II and want to include a protective filter with my order.  I haven't read about any vignetting with this lens using a standard filter but want to make sure I don't need the thin version.  Can someone please confirm if a standard filter works without vignetting?

Looking at either:
- B+W 82mm XS-Pro UV MRC-Nano 010M Filter
- B+W 82mm UV Haze MRC 010M Filter

Thanks

I used this on my L lenses. Never go back to regular UV ever again. Get the standard one so you can mount ND or CPL on top(can't do that on slim).

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/756819-REG/B_W_66_1066112_82mm_XS_Pro_NANO_Clear.html
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 06:22:18 AM »
I have the XS-Pro Nano on mine, but I do have an 82mm F-Pro (on my TS-E 24L II, where vignetting isn't an issue) that I can quickly test on my 24-70 II. I'll try to do that today.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 06:25:19 AM »
I use the "- B+W 82mm UV Haze MRC 010M Filter" with my 24-70II with no vignetting. I just hate the lens cap design. Too easy to fall off.

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 10:14:51 AM »
Thanks all for the quick feedback!  Looking forward to Neuro's test results and getting my new lens.

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 10:56:29 AM »
You can't stack filter on it anyway, use as thin as possible. I have a BW slim and tried a non front thread pol
On top and vignetting can't be corrected.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 01:20:48 PM »
The lens has a fair amount of native vignetting - over 2 stops in the corners.  However, filters don't add to that - presumably due to the 82mm filter thread.  I tested an XS-Pro mount (3.4mm thick), an F-Pro mount (5mm thick), and the two filters stacked, and didn't see an increase in the optical vignetting in any case.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 02:04:03 PM »
I'm sure you won't use a cheap filter, but look at this post that just popped up on LensRental's blog about the 24-70II:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/10/bad-times-with-bad-filters

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 02:29:00 PM »
I'm sure you won't use a cheap filter, but look at this post that just popped up on LensRental's blog about the 24-70II:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/10/bad-times-with-bad-filters

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 03:40:04 PM »
Here are three shots, one with only B&W xs-pro and one with Heliopan HT slim (no front threads) and onw with the pol stacked on top of the clear filter.

Only Clear


Only pol


Both stacked


Don't forget to scroll sideways or the problem isn't visible ;D

Nothing is done to either image. And that darkening of the outer corners doesn't go away with +100 correction in Lr, and when pushed even more to try and correct it adds a great deal of noise. At this point 24mm becomes useless imo.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 03:53:43 PM »
Don't forget to scroll sideways or the problem isn't visible ;D

Why scroll sideways?  I can see the left upper/lower corners without scrolling.  If the vignetting is worse in one or two corner(s) than the others, there's likely a slight decentering of an element in the lens.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 03:58:24 PM »
Don't forget to scroll sideways or the problem isn't visible ;D

Why scroll sideways?  I can see the left upper/lower corners without scrolling.  If the vignetting is worse in one or two corner(s) than the others, there's likely a slight decentering of an element in the lens.

I had to scroll sideways here at least.

To me it seems quite even when looking at them here, but the very far corners and small area becomes veryvery dark.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 03:58:24 PM »

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 04:36:14 PM »
I have a standard thickness F-PRO filter with this lens. It is fine. No need for the ultra-slim X-Pro, but it won't hurt either. The "nano" editions are good, as they repel dust a lot more and (presumably) have even less reflection than the MRC ones. I would take the one that is more readily available.

But I'd prefer the "clear" 007 ones over the "UV" 010 ones.

As for polarizers, I recommend standard thickness ones, as they don't vignett either and are much easier to turn than the slim ones.
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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 05:12:16 PM »
I use the Heliopan multi coat uv, as on all my lenses, with no problem whatsoever. I like the Heliopan for its brass ring and threads, and well machined so that they do not stick, cross thread, etc. On and off easily without fear of jamming.

Eepensive but worth the $.

Good luck.

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Re: Protective filter for 24-70 II - standard or thin?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 05:12:16 PM »