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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #375 on: May 20, 2014, 05:23:33 AM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #375 on: May 20, 2014, 05:23:33 AM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #376 on: May 20, 2014, 11:39:08 AM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...

Quite so.  There are likely plenty of people for whom the A7 series aren't "really great" for various reasons, but for the rest of us they are indeed fun, especially if you like manual focusing and (depending on the lens) aperture selection. I've been greatly enjoying using on my A7r a variety of old manual lenses (Helios, Jupiter, Minolta, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Vivitar & Pentax/Takumar), all of which have been very inexpensive to buy and which work really well with even cheap adapters - along with various Canon EF lenses; and when I want AF and even higher resolution I'll use the two Sony/Zeiss primes.  I'm so taken with the whole process I've recently added the even smaller and lighter a6000.  (Toss in my Olympus OM-D - its excellent IBIS helps - and each manual lens effectively acquires three different focal lengths; yes, you can achieve similar effects by cropping, but it's a rather different experience.)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #377 on: May 20, 2014, 07:50:38 PM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...
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Ummmmm, Yes, I agree with Rienz, welcome to CR, I think.

I've had my a7r for a while now, handed it to my eldest lad who likes it, but I recently re appropriated it to use with the Otus 55f/1.4, I must say that combination is quite remarkable, the Focus Peaking on the a7r is hugely useful with this Manual Focus Lens, I prefer this combo at the moment over the 1Dx with a Manual Focus Screen in place, especially in Low Light.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #378 on: May 20, 2014, 08:06:18 PM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...
Not quite the post one expects from a first time poster ... nevertheless Welcome to CR!

Ummmmm, Yes, I agree with Rienz, welcome to CR, I think.

I've had my a7r for a while now, handed it to my eldest lad who likes it, but I recently re appropriated it to use with the Otus 55f/1.4, I must say that combination is quite remarkable, the Focus Peaking on the a7r is hugely useful with this Manual Focus Lens, I prefer this combo at the moment over the 1Dx with a Manual Focus Screen in place, especially in Low Light.

A7r + FE 55mm = 50L sold on ebay. I have no plan adding 50mm to my current gear. The primary reason I haven't place a pre-order on Canon 16-35 f4 IS is I'm waiting to see what Sony/Zeiss has to offer on their rumor FE 16-35 f4 OS.   

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #379 on: May 20, 2014, 08:11:30 PM »
A7r + FE 55mm = 50L sold on ebay. I have no plan adding 50mm to my current gear. The primary reason I haven't place a pre-order on Canon 16-35 f4 IS is I'm waiting to see what Sony/Zeiss has to offer on their rumor FE 16-35 f4 OS.

The list Posted earlier in this thread re the upcoming Lenses Zeiss are producing for the Sony E Mount are very interesting, especially the faster lenses less than f/2.8, that's of real interest for me I must admit.

I love the Otus, but it would be nice to get something that has AF that's almost as good, in a Zeiss.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #380 on: May 21, 2014, 10:56:37 AM »

The list Posted earlier in this thread re the upcoming Lenses Zeiss are producing for the Sony E Mount are very interesting, especially the faster lenses less than f/2.8, that's of real interest for me I must admit.

I love the Otus, but it would be nice to get something that has AF that's almost as good, in a Zeiss.

Maybe you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but if not - did you ever try the Sony/Zeiss 55mm 1.8? 

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #381 on: May 21, 2014, 01:12:04 PM »
Love my Sony A7r, of course accepting all the differences of what we are used to, in my case particularly the wake up time of the view finder, and of course the clunky Metabones adapter! Hope Novoflex will come up with something adequate soon.
It is amazing that 36 mp sensor in that camera was not released with a companion of native super wide angle lens, and that is my only really serious problem I have with Sony so far.
On the side note, I am starting to don't believe the stats about the mirror less cameras market share, I have mirror less Sony, yesterday at Sanibel Island I meet a guy proudly caring his high end mirror less Olympus, and my friend just left for New York from short visit with his extremely elegant mirror less Fuji... Maybe coincidence, but if not, expect prices of DSLR really go up pretty soon if only pros with giant white lenses and wedding photographers will buy them, kind of like the cinema line, and seem like Canon really insist to alienate serious amateurs or semi pros...
People here are wishing things that are not good for them just because some weird love to a "brand". It is very interesting to watch how this will play out.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #381 on: May 21, 2014, 01:12:04 PM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #382 on: May 21, 2014, 07:51:09 PM »
Maybe you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but if not - did you ever try the Sony/Zeiss 55mm 1.8?

I haven't no, reports say it's an excellent Lens, but I have the 50f/1.2 L and like it, now the outs 55, and like it, so I'm about 50'ed out for the moment.

Originally I bought the a7r as a potential replacement Underwater Camera for the 5DMK III, but the lack of a 15mm wide angle & 100 macro have put those plans on hold, for the moment.

The smaller form factor, the Focus Peaking, the Sensor, the Zeiss Lenses are all great positives on this Camera, I'm less enthused with the View Finder, but I imagine that will improve in the Mark II version.

All round I like the Camera, it won't for a very long time/possibly never, replace the 1Dx, and that's fine, but once we can get a better range of Zeiss Lenses for it the "system" will be more useful.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #383 on: May 21, 2014, 08:27:43 PM »
I was in BestBuy the other day and was playing with an A7 - it is a really nice size. Are the S and R versions the identical form factor?

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #384 on: May 22, 2014, 03:28:29 AM »
I was in BestBuy the other day and was playing with an A7 - it is a really nice size. Are the S and R versions the identical form factor?

Yes they are, as far as I'm aware the only essential difference is the Sensor.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #385 on: May 22, 2014, 11:58:04 AM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...
Not quite the post one expects from a first time poster ... nevertheless Welcome to CR!

Ummmmm, Yes, I agree with Rienz, welcome to CR, I think.

I've had my a7r for a while now, handed it to my eldest lad who likes it, but I recently re appropriated it to use with the Otus 55f/1.4, I must say that combination is quite remarkable, the Focus Peaking on the a7r is hugely useful with this Manual Focus Lens, I prefer this combo at the moment over the 1Dx with a Manual Focus Screen in place, especially in Low Light.

A7r + FE 55mm = 50L sold on ebay. I have no plan adding 50mm to my current gear. The primary reason I haven't place a pre-order on Canon 16-35 f4 IS is I'm waiting to see what Sony/Zeiss has to offer on their rumor FE 16-35 f4 OS.
Just bought the FE 55 f/1.8 and the FE 70-200 f/4 OSS lenses today ... and I agree with you about the 55, its a fantastic lens ... the 70-200 f/4 was surprise package, it is very light with very good build quality, makes it easy to travel with it.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #386 on: May 23, 2014, 03:04:32 AM »
Sony FE 70-200/4 OSS is 80 grams HEAVIER and slightly LARGER than Canon EF 70-200 /4 L IS ... and delivers somewhat LESS IQ ... at 40% HIGHER price. ;-)
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #387 on: May 23, 2014, 09:54:18 AM »
I see an awful lot of bitching, complaining and general brand hatred in this thread.  Let me add:

- If you want a Canon/Nikon camera like the A7/A7R to use with all your Canon/Nikon lenses, buy an adapter!
- If you don't like the A7/A7R, don't buy it.
- If Sony doesn't make the lens you want, use someone else's!

If you want a really great full frame camera, buy the Sony A7 or A7r and enjoy it.

I've been a Canon user for years and a Pentax user before that.  I now have an A7R with adapters for all my Canon, Pentax, Minolta, M42 and T2 lenses and love it.  I own one Sony lens, the kit 28-70mm fit lens for the A7 (because someone didn't like it and gave it to me).  BEST lens I've ever had for the price!

Stop bitching, go for it and have fun...
Not quite the post one expects from a first time poster ... nevertheless Welcome to CR!

Ummmmm, Yes, I agree with Rienz, welcome to CR, I think.

I've had my a7r for a while now, handed it to my eldest lad who likes it, but I recently re appropriated it to use with the Otus 55f/1.4, I must say that combination is quite remarkable, the Focus Peaking on the a7r is hugely useful with this Manual Focus Lens, I prefer this combo at the moment over the 1Dx with a Manual Focus Screen in place, especially in Low Light.

A7r + FE 55mm = 50L sold on ebay. I have no plan adding 50mm to my current gear. The primary reason I haven't place a pre-order on Canon 16-35 f4 IS is I'm waiting to see what Sony/Zeiss has to offer on their rumor FE 16-35 f4 OS.
Just bought the FE 55 f/1.8 and the FE 70-200 f/4 OSS lenses today ... and I agree with you about the 55, its a fantastic lens ... the 70-200 f/4 was surprise package, it is very light with very good build quality, makes it easy to travel with it.

Your signature is getting out of controll... ;D Keep in mind, FE 16-35 f4 OS is right around the corner.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #387 on: May 23, 2014, 09:54:18 AM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #388 on: May 23, 2014, 10:36:51 AM »
Sony FE 70-200/4 OSS is 80 grams HEAVIER and slightly LARGER than Canon EF 70-200 /4 L IS ... and delivers somewhat LESS IQ ... at 40% HIGHER price. ;-)

Luckily, the Canon works very well attached to the Sony bodies - provided you don't mind the AF compromises....   (I'm coming to prefer manual focus, so it's not a problem for me.)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #389 on: May 23, 2014, 10:53:26 AM »
Luckily, the Canon works very well attached to the Sony bodies - provided you don't mind the AF compromises....   (I'm coming to prefer manual focus, so it's not a problem for me.)

I do - respectively i would - mind "AF compromises". I have not ever used a manual focus ring since about 1985 or so [when I got my first Minolta AF SLR] and will never go back to manual focusing. I'd prefer if there were lenses with top-notch AF-drive and full weathersealing, and devoid of any manual focus gear and focus ring. ;-)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #389 on: May 23, 2014, 10:53:26 AM »