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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2013, 08:41:08 AM »
phew... glad the Canon higherarchy don't frequent these pages otherwise there would be a shed load of Seppuku going on at head office  :o  ;D

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2013, 08:57:09 AM »
phew... glad the Canon higherarchy don't frequent these pages otherwise there would be a shed load of Seppuku going on at head office  :o  ;D
Oh, I am sure they are fully aware of the widespread disappointment in their sensor development. They don't need to read these forums to know that. :P .. But what can they do? Perhaps they really don't know how to build a new sensor with higher DR and no shadow banding? Perhaps it's nearly impossible to get around the patent of the Exmor sensor?

I actually feel kinda sorry for them, but I'm not sticking around to wait. I have preordered the A7R. It's the new Canon body I've been waiting for.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2013, 08:58:23 AM »
Funny how many people want to jump ship in a few years because Sony is supposedly to be the next big thing. Everyone has expectations that Sony will have great glass to go with the mirrorless in the near future. Canon will simply stand still ... eh?

With such great expectations from a company that is not even making a profit on the electronics division, people around here tend to think that Canon, the largest Camera selling company for the past decade, won't come up with something comparable, if not better.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2013, 08:59:52 AM »
I'm really surprised that only the A7 has phase detect AF. If you get the A7R, you are stuck with contrast detect AF only. That's a hell of a trade off to get more megapixels. With Sony's history of sub-par E mount lenses, they are going to have to demonstrate they can make lenses that are good enough for a 36mp sensor before I would buy one. I guess the folks that are planning to use Leica lenses with an adapter won't care about AF at all though...
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 09:01:17 AM »
Funny how many people want to jump ship in a few years because Sony is supposedly to be the next big thing. Everyone has expectations that Sony will have great glass to go with the mirrorless in the near future. Canon will simply stand still ... eh?

With such great expectations from a company that is not even making a profit on the electronics division, people around here tend to think that Canon, the largest Camera selling company for the past decade, won't come up with something comparable, if not better.

Or...they could end up like Blackberry...asleep at the wheel. Time will tell.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2013, 09:02:16 AM »
Funny how many people want to jump ship in a few years because Sony is supposedly to be the next big thing. Everyone has expectations that Sony will have great glass to go with the mirrorless in the near future. Canon will simply stand still ... eh?

With such great expectations from a company that is not even making a profit on the electronics division, people around here tend to think that Canon, the largest Camera selling company for the past decade, won't come up with something comparable, if not better.
Jump ship? I guess you missed the part about this camera being able to use lenses from Nikon, Leica, Zeiss and Canon.

I am not jumping ship. I am simply not buying another body from Canon until they release a high resolution, high DR camera, in a light and affordable package.

The A7R will keep me entertained until then.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2013, 09:06:50 AM »
i'll be honest..
I too am going to get the A7R. Simply because it is what i have been waiting for in a long time.
I'm a Canon fan and i have tons of Canon glass and accessories etc..
But i always thought the weight of the 5D3 was a little too much for me and since i'm not a professional, i don't "need" a professional camera do i.
I have since also made the decision to switch to Sony. I love my 5D3 and all my L glass but somehow the A7R with good zeiss glass…i couldn't see a reason why i needed to keep my canon gear.
I am in fact going to sell away everything and move to Sony by next year once the zeiss 24-70 is launched
Noting against Canon, but i think they are indeed lacking behind in the mirrorless market. I have the M, it's a joke..and with nothing new anytime soon, i can't wait…
Yes i know Canon has something planned, new manufacturing proces, new sensor etc..but by the time they release all that, the competition is yet again few steps ahead..

No need to get rid of all your Canon glass, with an adaptor for the Sony you could keep using them and save yourself A LOT of money. That Sony/Zeiss glass is even more overpriced than Canon glass :P!

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2013, 09:07:00 AM »
I'm really surprised that only the A7 has phase detect AF. If you get the A7R, you are stuck with contrast detect AF only. That's a hell of a trade off to get more megapixels. With Sony's history of sub-par E mount lenses, they are going to have to demonstrate they can make lenses that are good enough for a 36mp sensor before I would buy one. I guess the folks that are planning to use Leica lenses with an adapter won't care about AF at all though...
Could not care less about the AF. I have my 5D3 for such things.

The A7R will give me everything I've been missing with Canon. A big load of MPs and lots of dynamic range. I will be using it for traveling, studio work, landscapes, still life and architectural work. None of which requires state of the art AF.

Oh, and I do love that it's small. :)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2013, 09:11:21 AM »
With the A7R having a sensor with the effective megapixels close to the D800, and the A7 being close to the 5D Mark III it really makes me exited to think about how Nikon and Canon are going to push themselves.

I bought the EOS M while it was ~$300 at B&H a month or so ago. The biggest problem with it is the delay from taking a picture after another.

I read somewhere on a DxOMark article that Canon is behind the competition with there sensors due there factory not being as up to date. I'd like to know if anyone knows anything about the state of Canon's sensor fabrication plant.

I'm content with the number of pixels, for most purposes we have more than I feel the need for. I'm more interested in high ISO performance, and dynamic range at all ISO settings.

I've heard that the updated Eos M firmware gives faster AF, is that the cause of delay from one picture to the next? This may be solved by the 70D sensor. I trust Canon more than Sony on lens design & manufacture, but Sony more than Canon on electronic sensor design and manufacture.

I was far too brief with my post. I was supposed to write a few more thoughts. I agree that the pixel count is great as it is. I meant to add that the Canon sensors are generally beaten in dynamic range, low light performance and such by sometimes much cheaper Nikon cameras. I admit that I am using DxOMark my primary source. I have seen quite a few side-by-side comparisons between a 5D Mark III and the D800. The D800 picks details the Canon barely sees, but of course the Canon does a very good job with the number of pixels it can work with.

Unfortunately those are the feelings I have even with the EOS M firmware update. I do use my 5D Mark III significantly more than my EOS M. I guess the EOS M's performance is definitely good enough once I am used to it.

With Canon's internal "big megapixel sensor" developments, I really am looking forward to see how much they are pushing in their sensor development.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2013, 09:16:56 AM »
I'm not sure what to say ::)

I will not sell any of my Canon gear until I hand-on A7 + Zeiss 50mm f1.8. Below are few photos taken with my RX1. This is why I want compact camera but delivers high IQ in any light condition.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2013, 09:21:11 AM »
I know people buy/sell on fredmiranda.com. although I've never done that.

So, just to clarify for myself. Are these cameras fully compatible with any EF lenses, Zeiss T lenses and have in-body image stabilization? Wondering how AF would work on these bodies with Canon lenses. I guess until recently a lot of third party lenses had issues with AF on Canon/Nikon bodies.


i'll be honest..
I too am going to get the A7R. Simply because it is what i have been waiting for in a long time.
I'm a Canon fan and i have tons of Canon glass and accessories etc..
But i always thought the weight of the 5D3 was a little too much for me and since i'm not a professional, i don't "need" a professional camera do i.
I have since also made the decision to switch to Sony. I love my 5D3 and all my L glass but somehow the A7R with good zeiss glass…i couldn't see a reason why i needed to keep my canon gear.
I am in fact going to sell away everything and move to Sony by next year once the zeiss 24-70 is launched
Noting against Canon, but i think they are indeed lacking behind in the mirrorless market. I have the M, it's a joke..and with nothing new anytime soon, i can't wait…
You go Boy! LOL!
I am going to be a little patient..but I am definitely headed toward the same boat. How can you not, unless you are a pro who specifically needs certain parts of a pro system.  I think when the next Sony body is released and there are many more lenses available is when I will jump.  I am skipping eBay too, with their ridiculous percentages...do you know of any forums to sell gear on and just use paypal??????

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2013, 09:24:50 AM »
I could potentially buy it with a metabones adapter just to use it with my Canon lenses for landscape photography, and then sell the body when/if Canon comes up with something at the same level of performance. The big investment is in lenses.

I think Canon big megapixel is still quite far away, and I doubt that the first camera will be as good in the dynamic range department as Sony.

Canon have some really great lenses though just waiting to be used with a great sensor. With Canon's own bodies it's like using a Ferrari engine (lens) on a Mazda chassis (camera)...
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2013, 09:25:44 AM »
Funny how many people want to jump ship in a few years because Sony is supposedly to be the next big thing. Everyone has expectations that Sony will have great glass to go with the mirrorless in the near future. Canon will simply stand still ... eh?

With such great expectations from a company that is not even making a profit on the electronics division, people around here tend to think that Canon, the largest Camera selling company for the past decade, won't come up with something comparable, if not better.
Jump ship? I guess you missed the part about this camera being able to use lenses from Nikon, Leica, Zeiss and Canon.

I am not jumping ship. I am simply not buying another body from Canon until they release a high resolution, high DR camera, in a light and affordable package.

The A7R will keep me entertained until then.

Could you provide a link to that adapter? Is it supporting AF or MF only?
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2013, 09:30:52 AM »
Totally getting one of these for use with old film lenses and peaking for video and an every day camera for when the 1dx is overkill

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2013, 09:40:16 AM »
Hopefully this is the watershed moment for Sony and they start delivering quality lenses across the price spectrum. Most of their zooms are not well regarded, and the primes are limited as well. If they and Sigma can deliver a half dozen lenses that can match optical performance of a D600 or 5DIII system, they'll have a winner. If not, they'll remain a niche.

Cause right now a lot of their lenses struggled on the NEX-7, so I can only imagine what the A7r will do to them

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