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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #315 on: December 08, 2013, 05:39:52 PM »

580EXII worked well in manual mode. Obviously doesn't work in ETTL mode, but I generally use manual mode most of the time anyway.

If only they had the Sony sensor in a 1d body at the A7R price.

Not familiar with Sony's latest hot shoe, but so the 580EX II will physically fit inside Sony shot shoe and get a fire signal when Sony's shutter is released? (in manual mode)

 

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« Reply #316 on: December 08, 2013, 06:18:03 PM »

580EXII worked well in manual mode. Obviously doesn't work in ETTL mode, but I generally use manual mode most of the time anyway.

If only they had the Sony sensor in a 1d body at the A7R price.

Not familiar with Sony's latest hot shoe, but so the 580EX II will physically fit inside Sony shot shoe and get a fire signal when Sony's shutter is released? (in manual mode)

In short Yes.  The hot shoe is a little shorter so the back two pins do not make contact.  I understand that Nikon and many other flashes that support M flash mode will also work.  I have yet to see a Sony flash that does not need an adapter to work with it.  I refuse to buy a Sony flash because I do not want some flimsy adapter between the camera and the flash.  So I use my 430EX II on it instead.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #317 on: December 08, 2013, 10:40:05 PM »

580EXII worked well in manual mode. Obviously doesn't work in ETTL mode, but I generally use manual mode most of the time anyway.

If only they had the Sony sensor in a 1d body at the A7R price.

Not familiar with Sony's latest hot shoe, but so the 580EX II will physically fit inside Sony shot shoe and get a fire signal when Sony's shutter is released? (in manual mode)

In short Yes.  The hot shoe is a little shorter so the back two pins do not make contact.  I understand that Nikon and many other flashes that support M flash mode will also work.  I have yet to see a Sony flash that does not need an adapter to work with it.  I refuse to buy a Sony flash because I do not want some flimsy adapter between the camera and the flash.  So I use my 430EX II on it instead.
I just tried it with my 600 EX RT, Yongnuo YN568EXII (Nikon mount) and Sunpak RD2000 (Canon mount) ... all of them work very well up to 1/250sec (obviously, everything has to be in manual mode, coz although the shutter triggers the flash the camera does not register the flash). I find the hotshoe fitting is extremely tight, it's ok with the metal footing of Canon and Yongnuo but I'm afraid the plastic feet of Sunkpak could easily give up the ghost ... you can literally rip it right off if you are not careful. Anyway, I had already ordered the Sony HVL-F43M flash a few days ago, should be here tomorrow or the day after.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #318 on: December 09, 2013, 02:04:29 AM »

Not arguing, but thinking aloud that 300 should be enough with planning for a smaller package.

Sure, depending what and how you shoot. However, IMHO,  more buyers than not will buy the A7/A7R and end up shooting zero.  I suspect it will be bought by wealthy hobbyists, most of whom don't shoot much anyway.

Wonder why you feel that? It is actually one of the cheapest options around for this quality. The wealthy who want to buy for the sake of buying have Leica.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #319 on: December 09, 2013, 03:17:05 AM »

Not arguing, but thinking aloud that 300 should be enough with planning for a smaller package.

Sure, depending what and how you shoot. However, IMHO,  more buyers than not will buy the A7/A7R and end up shooting zero.  I suspect it will be bought by wealthy hobbyists, most of whom don't shoot much anyway.

Wonder why you feel that? It is actually one of the cheapest options around for this quality. The wealthy who want to buy for the sake of buying have Leica.

+1

The a7 is actually the cheapest FF available - at least here in Europe.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #320 on: December 09, 2013, 04:20:29 AM »

Not arguing, but thinking aloud that 300 should be enough with planning for a smaller package.

Sure, depending what and how you shoot. However, IMHO,  more buyers than not will buy the A7/A7R and end up shooting zero.  I suspect it will be bought by wealthy hobbyists, most of whom don't shoot much anyway.

Wonder why you feel that? It is actually one of the cheapest options around for this quality. The wealthy who want to buy for the sake of buying have Leica.

+1

The a7 is actually the cheapest FF available - at least here in Europe.
+1 ... it is the cheapest full frame camera with a kit lens anywhere in the world. Agreed it cannot match the versatility of a full frame DSLR, nonetheless it does deliver excellent results for people photography and landscapes. It sucks at any moderate action ... but that might be due to the limitations of the kit lens ... will have to wait and see when the Zeis 24-70 comes out.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #321 on: December 10, 2013, 12:21:04 PM »

Not arguing, but thinking aloud that 300 should be enough with planning for a smaller package.

Sure, depending what and how you shoot. However, IMHO,  more buyers than not will buy the A7/A7R and end up shooting zero.  I suspect it will be bought by wealthy hobbyists, most of whom don't shoot much anyway.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the c300 limit isn't so much a Sony thing as a mirrorless thing, especially when an EVF is involved as it is here; they simply use more power than dslrs.  I don't get much more than that with my Olympus OM-D EM5 (haven't had my new EM1 long enough to find out); the first time I went to Longwood Gardens with it I ran out of power after about three hours and had to switch to a Canon dslr.

As for who's interested in the A7/A7R, I have no idea (landscapers with tripods strike me as a small minority, but who knows?), but - and this doesn't really prove anything of course - I spent a fair amount of time in B&H on Sunday.  The place was packed, unsurprisingly, with lots of people milling around the Nikon and (especially) Canon stands and wanting to see the latest Fuji Xs and Olympus OM-D.  To my complete surprise, while there were a few people at the Sony stand, the only person I'm aware of who ventured near an A7 was me; the lonely salesman seemed pleased enough to chat even though I didn't have much to say except that I lost interest when I realized they had no IBIS - he seemed sympathetic.  I must say, though, that it was quite nice to hold and the EVF looks impressive.  And it really is small - displayed among a bunch of small Sony point-and-shoots it made no impression whatsoever (aside from being black).  Hard to imagine using anything but the smallest primes on it (without a tripod, at any rate).

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« Reply #322 on: December 10, 2013, 01:48:31 PM »
The a7 is actually the cheapest FF available - at least here in Europe.
+1 ... it is the cheapest full frame camera with a kit lens anywhere in the world.

As a bundle, yes.  But here in the USA at least, the 6D + 24-105/4L IS kit is only $84 more than the a7 + 28-70/3.5-5.6 OSS, and you're getting a more versatile body and a lens with a broader zoom range on both ends, constant aperture, and one stop faster at the long end.  The Sony kit is more like a Canon 28-135/3.5-5.6 IS option…   :-X
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #323 on: December 10, 2013, 02:14:55 PM »
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Sony HX50 ?  How does it compare to the RX100/B?  What about the WX300?  Would it have a better S/N than the G15?

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #324 on: December 14, 2013, 04:06:13 AM »

580EXII worked well in manual mode. Obviously doesn't work in ETTL mode, but I generally use manual mode most of the time anyway.

If only they had the Sony sensor in a 1d body at the A7R price.

Not familiar with Sony's latest hot shoe, but so the 580EX II will physically fit inside Sony shot shoe and get a fire signal when Sony's shutter is released? (in manual mode)

In short Yes.  The hot shoe is a little shorter so the back two pins do not make contact.  I understand that Nikon and many other flashes that support M flash mode will also work.  I have yet to see a Sony flash that does not need an adapter to work with it.  I refuse to buy a Sony flash because I do not want some flimsy adapter between the camera and the flash.  So I use my 430EX II on it instead.
I just tried it with my 600 EX RT, Yongnuo YN568EXII (Nikon mount) and Sunpak RD2000 (Canon mount) ... all of them work very well up to 1/250sec (obviously, everything has to be in manual mode, coz although the shutter triggers the flash the camera does not register the flash). I find the hotshoe fitting is extremely tight, it's ok with the metal footing of Canon and Yongnuo but I'm afraid the plastic feet of Sunkpak could easily give up the ghost ... you can literally rip it right off if you are not careful. Anyway, I had already ordered the Sony HVL-F43M flash a few days ago, should be here tomorrow or the day after.

Interesting to know that the RD2000 works fine. It makes for a nice small addition to the kit.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #325 on: December 14, 2013, 07:03:02 AM »

580EXII worked well in manual mode. Obviously doesn't work in ETTL mode, but I generally use manual mode most of the time anyway.

If only they had the Sony sensor in a 1d body at the A7R price.

Not familiar with Sony's latest hot shoe, but so the 580EX II will physically fit inside Sony shot shoe and get a fire signal when Sony's shutter is released? (in manual mode)

In short Yes.  The hot shoe is a little shorter so the back two pins do not make contact.  I understand that Nikon and many other flashes that support M flash mode will also work.  I have yet to see a Sony flash that does not need an adapter to work with it.  I refuse to buy a Sony flash because I do not want some flimsy adapter between the camera and the flash.  So I use my 430EX II on it instead.
I just tried it with my 600 EX RT, Yongnuo YN568EXII (Nikon mount) and Sunpak RD2000 (Canon mount) ... all of them work very well up to 1/250sec (obviously, everything has to be in manual mode, coz although the shutter triggers the flash the camera does not register the flash). I find the hotshoe fitting is extremely tight, it's ok with the metal footing of Canon and Yongnuo but I'm afraid the plastic feet of Sunkpak could easily give up the ghost ... you can literally rip it right off if you are not careful. Anyway, I had already ordered the Sony HVL-F43M flash a few days ago, should be here tomorrow or the day after.

Interesting to know that the RD2000 works fine. It makes for a nice small addition to the kit.
Indeed! ... the good thing about the RD2000 is that it can be bounced upwards and it is darned cheap.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #326 on: December 14, 2013, 01:02:59 PM »
+1 ... it is the cheapest full frame camera with a kit lens anywhere in the world.

As a bundle, yes.  But here in the USA at least, the 6D + 24-105/4L IS kit is only $84 more than the a7 + 28-70/3.5-5.6 OSS, and you're getting a more versatile body and a lens with a broader zoom range on both ends, constant aperture, and one stop faster at the long end. 
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yes, 24-105 is a better lens.
but: http://camerasize.com/compact/#380.21,488.396,ha,t
oops! :-)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #327 on: December 14, 2013, 07:53:17 PM »
+1 ... it is the cheapest full frame camera with a kit lens anywhere in the world.

As a bundle, yes.  But here in the USA at least, the 6D + 24-105/4L IS kit is only $84 more than the a7 + 28-70/3.5-5.6 OSS, and you're getting a more versatile body and a lens with a broader zoom range on both ends, constant aperture, and one stop faster at the long end. 
... snip ...


yes, 24-105 is a better lens.
but: http://camerasize.com/compact/#380.21,488.396,ha,t
oops! :-)


Yeah OK it does look a bit bigger but you are getting a longer zoom range. I wonder how it would compare to the 6D + 24-70 f/4L IS combo? Obviously it would cost more.

This link is for the 24-70 f/4 comparison.

http://j.mp/HYCNKd

This one is with both cameras with a 50 1.8

http://j.mp/1bNP78T

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the A7 & A7R Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras
« Reply #328 on: December 16, 2013, 07:05:09 AM »
Interesting quick test:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/12/sony-a7r-a-rising-tide-lifts-all-the-boats

(Quick for Roger's standards, I mean)

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« Reply #329 on: December 16, 2013, 07:11:04 AM »
http://j.mp/HYCNKd

http://j.mp/1bNP78T

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