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CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« on: September 14, 2010, 07:50:34 AM »

Part 1: EOS

A lot of product announcements for the DSLR world, popular desired products still missing.


*NOTE* These opinions are loose and based the specifications of the products and initial impressions. I will delve deeper next week.


EOS 60D

As with most prosumer DSLR announcements from Canon, it has been treated rather harshly. I don’t find it all that exciting, but I’m sure they’re going to sell a lot of them.


Why I like it:





  • Price. At $1099USD at launch, this camera will quickly fall below $1000USD. From what I’ve heard, the camera feels quite nice in your hands and is a big upgrade to the Rebel in that regard.

  • Articulating screen, I don’t think it’s a deal breaker, but I know there are certain types of photography that will benefit from it.

  • Weight. There’s a big backlash that the 60D didn’t follow the path of the 50D and retain the metal body. I don’t think that will affect sales of the camera all that much. Lots of people love the weight of the Rebel, but don’t like the ergonomics. The 60D may fit for those people. If you want a metal camera, get the 7D!



Why I don’t like it





  • So far it’s missing microadjustment. That shouldn’t be a cost increasing feature. Put it in.

  • Old AF technology. It doesn’t need to be as good as the 7D, but something improved over the 50D would be welcomed.

  • It’s kind of boring, there’s not much new in the camera to make people excited.



EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS

This seems like a very calculated addition to the lens lineup. I wasn’t a fan of the last 70-300, I always felt it cost too much.


This isn’t a cheap lens from the pricing I’ve seen ($1500USD), yet it’s being marketed as an “L” lens newer photographers should look at first.


Optically; it better kick butt for the money.


EF 8-15 f/4L Fisheye

Wow!
What a unique and brilliant idea. One fisheye to work with the entire EOS line. No, it’s not cheap ($1400USD), but for the folks that want a fisheye and have various crop factors in their bag, this is a winner.


I cannot wait to try it out.


EF 300 f/2.8L IS II & EF 400 f/2.8L IIS II

Neither of these lenses NEEDED to be replaced, but it cannot hurt to continue to evolve your flagship products.


I’m sure they will continue the tradition of Canon’s big white lenses being the stuff of legends.


What’s missing from the EOS announcements?

If I asked the readers at Canon Rumors what they WANTED to see, there are a few things that keep coming up.


EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS

I don’t need to say anything about such a lens, it’s already been mentioned.


5D Mark III / 3D

A full frame camera with at least the 7D autofocus system and all the bells and whistles in a smaller package than the 1D series camera. Don’t increase the megapixel count, just take the 5D Mark II to the next level.


New Cheaper Primes

Lots of people desire a 35 f/1.8 or a new 50 f/1.4.


100-400 Replacement

For some people, a version II of the current 100-400. For others, copy Nikon’s legendary 200-400 f/4 and add it to the lineup.


Is there more coming before Photokina?

The million dollar question to be sure. I received an email today saying Canon will announce another camera body before Photokina, and not a 1Ds Mark IV.
I currently have no solid information as to whether that will happen or not.


Monday will be the deadline!


Photokina

I’ll be in Cologne attending Photokina next Tuesday. Check the site throughout the day as I will be constantly updating anything relevant to Canon.


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CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« on: September 14, 2010, 07:50:34 AM »

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 09:19:44 AM »
No one else on here wants an ultra wide angle EF L zoom?

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 09:56:19 AM »
Could the new camera body be the 1000D replacement? It is unlikely to be anything revolutionary. Just a 550D minus a few features. Probably 12MP sensor and 720p video.

I am hoping this might be launched with cheaper 30-35mm prime lens. That would be a lot more interesting than the camera itself.

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »
I think that CR guy nailed it.

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2010, 01:05:42 PM »
Nailed what's missing? Yeah well lots of things are missing or are expected that don't come. 5D3 isn't expected. 100-400 isn't expected. 24-70 and new primes would be nice, but those rumors continue to persist for years. 1Ds4 was expected and now it looks like it is not coming. Super teles were due for upgrades but are priced beyond what mortals can pay. 8-15 is bizzaro but cool. 70-300 is a lens that nobody really needs, but will find a market.

Canon keeps us all guessing: not many obvious announcements in the dslr space.

Obvious for me is to release the 1Ds4 and the 24-70 2.8L IS, 14-24 2.8, and 35 1.8 EF-S followed by a 35 1.2L and a 85 1.4L IS. Then release a 3D or 5D3 early next year. None of this seems like it is going to happen any time soon.



I think that CR guy nailed it.

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »
Could the new camera body be the 1000D replacement? It is unlikely to be anything revolutionary. Just a 550D minus a few features. Probably 12MP sensor and 720p video.

I am hoping this might be launched with cheaper 30-35mm prime lens. That would be a lot more interesting than the camera itself.
A 2000D? Yes, I think so... there is nothing in the lineup to compete with Nikon's D3100 at the moment...
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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 03:53:39 PM »
A 2000D? Yes, I think so... there is nothing in the lineup to compete with Nikon's D3100 at the moment...

There is also nothing to compete with the Nikon D7000....

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 04:29:54 AM »
There is also nothing to compete with the Nikon D7000....
We call it 7D ...

I expect a cheapy 2kD, 18 whopping megapixels, and nothing interesting. Just something to sell cheap kitlenses with, and hope you can draw more folks into DSLR.
With the 5D2 still going strong, i don't expect a '3' before next fall. 1Ds4 would be great, but they still say it won't come (i'm keeping my fingers crossed though, even when i can't pay one). A new flash would be nice as well, preferably 580++

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 07:00:42 AM »
There is also nothing to compete with the Nikon D7000....
We call it 7D ...
Which may fall in price with the avaibility of the D7000...

But if the 7D is 200 EUR costlier it's not a real competitor for the D7000.

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 01:38:34 PM »
"EOS 60D

As with most prosumer DSLR announcements from Canon, it has been treated rather harshly. I don’t find it all that exciting, but I’m sure they’re going to sell a lot of them."

Not at the price that they are currently advertising, it's the same as the D7000, which is truely a cut above.  In fact, the latter is everything that people hoped the 60D would be.  Canon shot themselves in the foot when they didn't put the full professional 45 pt AF system from the 1D series in the 7D.  This has dictated the retention of the old 9 pt AF system in the 60D for product differentiation reasons.  Combined with dropping the metal body, this has produced a camera that looks distinctly anaemic next to the main competition and have no doubt that this is a very important price point. 

Canon need to start taking the initiative with new releases, not simply copying what Nikon is producing.  There is a fundamental difference in philosophies emerging here: Nikon offer the best camera they can make for a given price; Canon offer the least that they possibly can and still sell the camera! 

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 05:22:37 PM »
"EOS 60D

As with most prosumer DSLR announcements from Canon, it has been treated rather harshly. I don’t find it all that exciting, but I’m sure they’re going to sell a lot of them."

Not at the price that they are currently advertising, it's the same as the D7000, which is truely a cut above.  In fact, the latter is everything that people hoped the 60D would be.  Canon shot themselves in the foot when they didn't put the full professional 45 pt AF system from the 1D series in the 7D.  This has dictated the retention of the old 9 pt AF system in the 60D for product differentiation reasons.  Combined with dropping the metal body, this has produced a camera that looks distinctly anaemic next to the main competition and have no doubt that this is a very important price point.

Just how good do you think the AF is in the D7000?

It only has 9 cross type sensors.

How many cross type sensors does the 60D have?

9.

What Canon did not do is add another 30 worthless AF sensors to add "bling" to their camera.

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 05:42:24 PM »
There is also nothing to compete with the Nikon D7000....
...With the 5D2 still going strong, i don't expect a '3' before next fall. 1Ds4 would be great, but they still say it won't come

 :(  Is there a  consensus that the 5D3 won't come earlier than the Fall of 2011 ?   I'm ready to purchase a 5D2 and I would do it (after Photokina) if I could be sure there was another year in its product cycle.   But with the occasional rumor that it might come out in early 2011.... I'm awfully tempted to wait.   Yes, I can wait 3-5 mos, but not 12 mos.

How many people out there think that the odds for a new 5DMk3 in early 2011 are high enough to justify waiting?  Should I wait until early 2011 or buy the 5DMk2 now ??


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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 05:47:30 PM »
There is also nothing to compete with the Nikon D7000....
...With the 5D2 still going strong, i don't expect a '3' before next fall. 1Ds4 would be great, but they still say it won't come

 :(  Is there a  consensus that the 5D3 won't come earlier than the Fall of 2011 ?   I'm ready to purchase a 5D2 and I would do it (after Photokina) if I could be sure there was another year in its product cycle.   But with the occasional rumor that it might come out in early 2011.... I'm awfully tempted to wait.   Yes, I can wait 3-5 mos, but not 12 mos.

How many people out there think that the odds for a new 5DMk3 in early 2011 are high enough to justify waiting?  Should I wait until early 2011 or buy the 5DMk2 now ??

Buy what you need.

If you needed the 5Dmk2 then you would have bought it. Since you don't appear to need it then you haven't bought it.

After all the spin that has been the 1Ds4 rumor mill, I wouldn't count on any predictions of what will appear when with the pro level cameras.

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 05:47:30 PM »

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Re: CR Rates The Product Announcements Part 1
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 05:54:26 PM »
I think that CR guy nailed it.
Agreed.  He even mentioned the Nikon 200-400!  I feel like he's right inside my head.

Excellent wrapup of recent developments and user wishes I think.

Buy what you need.

If you needed the 5Dmk2 then you would have bought it. Since you don't appear to need it then you haven't bought it.
Normally I would agree, but here's the rub:

The 5D II does high ISOs better than the lower tier cameras.  But the 7D seems to have a much more sports-friendly autofocus system (based on reports from people and the basic specs - I don't know about the comparative sizes of the sensors, which can make a big difference regardless of the number of AF points).  It also has a reasonably large buffer for continuous shooting.

The systems which do high ISO and sports to a professional's specification seem to be the bodies positioned in the lineup substantially above, and which are more expensive than, the 5D - like the 1D Mark III and Mark IV.

And paying $2500 for what is a perfectly reasonable but increasingly dated platform doesn't necessarily make sense in terms of an investment - I haven't seen Canon bodies drop in price too dramatically but a new model would easily supplant the old one if released at the same price point.

On the video front, the 5D is okay but people might be tempted to get a cheaper camera now in view of upgrading to the Mark III.

You're absolutely right though, there's no guarantee the 5D Mark III is coming soon if ever.  I don't see them changing the line too far from where it is now - maybe they will bump up the specs and price a bit and still call it a 5D series camera; 3D sounds like they'd want to reserve it to go the stereo pictures route like everyone else - but I'm getting on a tangent now.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2010, 06:25:03 PM »
 :'( >:(

It's disappointing. Canon 60D isn't at the same level as 50D. The quality is worth. Smaller, cheaper body, and loss of microadjustment puts this camera in consumer level. Canon is forcing people who want pro/semipro camera to upgrade to the more expensive 7D. Meanwhile, Nikon 3100D has almost the same function as Canon 550D, but $200 cheaper. Nikon 7000D announced today will sell for $1500 with 18-105mm, again $200 cheaper 7D.

It's just embarrassing...

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2010, 06:25:03 PM »