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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2013, 08:10:13 PM »
Don't you hate it when you realize that the f/2.8 lens(es) you brought are WAY too slow for the event?  I think we've all done that one before.  I hope you're able to get something out of the shots in post.

Oh, I knew that going in - I have f/1.4 and f/1.2 primes I could have brought, and a 600EX-RT on the camera that I chose not to use, despite several iPhone, P&S, and Rebel-on-full-auto lights/strobes disturbing the ambiance.  I hadn't planned on any keepers from that activity (one of several, others are better lit, it's an annual event we attend).  FWIW, I brought the 35/1.4L last year, and didn't get any keepers from the fireside stories, either.  I grabbed a few shots this time on a lark, just to see how PRIME would handle them (I think it's the first time I've taken any non-test shots above ISO 25,600).
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2013, 11:42:09 PM »
Don't you hate it when you realize that the f/2.8 lens(es) you brought are WAY too slow for the event?  I think we've all done that one before.  I hope you're able to get something out of the shots in post.

Oh, I knew that going in - I have f/1.4 and f/1.2 primes I could have brought, and a 600EX-RT on the camera that I chose not to use, despite several iPhone, P&S, and Rebel-on-full-auto lights/strobes disturbing the ambiance.  I hadn't planned on any keepers from that activity (one of several, others are better lit, it's an annual event we attend).  FWIW, I brought the 35/1.4L last year, and didn't get any keepers from the fireside stories, either.  I grabbed a few shots this time on a lark, just to see how PRIME would handle them (I think it's the first time I've taken any non-test shots above ISO 25,600).

Neuro, I'd be very keen to see some of your shots from your daughter's Halloween event (including 'before and after post processing' comparos, both to see the detail of the IDX at high ISO's, and what DxO v9 can do with them).

I've been using DxO since v5, and love what it can do, particularly with its useful batch post-processing improvement capabilities. So when the DxO Optics Pro 9 came up in my email telling about PRIME, I became interested.... and there are still some weeks the upgrade offer is valid till.   8)

Will keep an eye out...

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 03:50:49 AM »
FWIW, I brought the 35/1.4L last year, and didn't get any keepers from the fireside stories, either. 

How come?  Shutter speeds still too long or wrong focal length?

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 09:02:04 AM »
How come?  Shutter speeds still too long or wrong focal length?

Shutter speeds still too slow (but I didn't go above ISO 25600).  IIRC, the fire was mostly embers last year.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:27 PM »
I tried the latest version of this today and I think I may actually buy it. Not sure why but I just do not light room for anything but importing my photos and putting them into the correct directories, but I think I may actually like this one and the interface now as well.
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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 09:19:05 PM »
I tried the latest version of this today and I think I may actually buy it. Not sure why but I just do not light room for anything but importing my photos and putting them into the correct directories, but I think I may actually like this one and the interface now as well.
I picked up the Elite trial... I'll see how I like it, so far the little I played around with it, it seems pretty seamless, solid. 

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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 11:21:55 PM »
I tested the new "PRIME" NR on a ISO 6400 image from my 5d2. I do not get anything that I cannot do with LR, for a few seconds. The trick in LR is to keep the chroma NR low, and apply tons of lumina NR. The overall look of the LR image - color, etc., is still better.

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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2013, 12:07:49 AM »
Anybody got Topaz DeNoise that they can compare DxO to?

I have never liked LR's noise reduction for troublesome images, works great for standard low iso well exposed stuff but more than that and Topaz comes out.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2013, 11:26:32 AM »
I tested the new "PRIME" NR on a ISO 6400 image from my 5d2. I do not get anything that I cannot do with LR, for a few seconds. The trick in LR is to keep the chroma NR low, and apply tons of lumina NR. The overall look of the LR image - color, etc., is still better.
I tested the same image in both LR5 and Optics 9 Elite.  Side by side, I liked the Optics 9 slightly better, the transitioned image seemed just a bit smoother, butteryer... (have fun with that one all you lingual aficionados).  The LR5 image still looked a little on the posturized side, not quite has smooth, not quite satisfying for me... 

That being said, I think none of my critics, fans or clients would see any difference, somehow  they just don't notice the noise as much as I do... I'm not always pleased with the way my 5d3 handles noise, though I'm thrilled with the ISO levels that I can use and dare to go too. 

I just took some really severely noisy images last week and I'm looking forward to seeing if DxO can do anything more than LR can with them.  With LR, there are no keepers.  It'll be interesting.

One thing I'm interested in trying is to hit an image lightly with LR NR and then move it into Optics 9 to see if I can get a better finish on the NR in an image that way...

The only thing I don't like so far is that DxO automatically gives it's own interpretation of the newly uploaded image immediately.  I'd rather  it just accept the image the way I've already processed it and just let me work with NR only, not all the other options.  I'm sure it can be set up not to auto process the photos, I just haven't had a chance to dig further into it yet...

So far, I like it.  Not sure I like $199 worth...  :)
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2013, 11:58:11 AM »
The only thing I don't like so far is that DxO automatically gives it's own interpretation of the newly uploaded image immediately.  I'd rather  it just accept the image the way I've already processed it and just let me work with NR only, not all the other options.  I'm sure it can be set up not to auto process the photos, I just haven't had a chance to dig further into it yet...

So far, I like it.  Not sure I like $199 worth...  :)
Choose the "No correction" preset - the "Preset" button is at the top right of the screen.  Also, the price isn't cheap, but they've had me hooked since their early versions, so the upgrades aren't bad - this one was $60 or $70 - but I'm scared to think about how much I've spent.

Also, some random DxO tips:
  • Set white balance first
  • Use the Curves tool to set black & white points
  • If you expose to the right (ETTR), best results are generally obtained by using Highlight Priority Medium or Strong followed by a boost to the Shadow slider (or Curves)
  • Use the HSL sliders to correct color casts - vs. auto white balance and other tools in ACR
  • Use the dust eraser like you would use the healing tool in PS
  • If you have more than 2 cores/processors, change the Preferences to match - it sets it to 2 by default
  • Shutdown any other Adobe products (especially PS and Premiere) while using it to make sure it has plenty of GPU and system RAM
  • The DxO Perspective correction is amazing but make sure you leave plenty or room around the building/object as the correction will shrink the image considerably
  • The best way to use the horizon and perspective correction is to draw the initial line / parallel lines / rectangle at "Zoom to Fit" and then zoom in to 50-100% to adjust it perfectly.  Eyeballing at "Zoom to Fit" isn't very accurate.

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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2013, 12:13:59 PM »
The only thing I don't like so far is that DxO automatically gives it's own interpretation of the newly uploaded image immediately.  I'd rather  it just accept the image the way I've already processed it and just let me work with NR only, not all the other options.  I'm sure it can be set up not to auto process the photos, I just haven't had a chance to dig further into it yet...

So far, I like it.  Not sure I like $199 worth...  :)
Choose the "No correction" preset - the "Preset" button is at the top right of the screen.  Also, the price isn't cheap, but they've had me hooked since their early versions, so the upgrades aren't bad - this one was $60 or $70 - but I'm scared to think about how much I've spent.

Also, some random DxO tips:
  • Set white balance first
  • Use the Curves tool to set black & white points
  • If you expose to the right (ETTR), best results are generally obtained by using Highlight Priority Medium or Strong followed by a boost to the Shadow slider (or Curves)
  • Use the HSL sliders to correct color casts - vs. auto white balance and other tools in ACR
  • Use the dust eraser like you would use the healing tool in PS
  • If you have more than 2 cores/processors, change the Preferences to match - it sets it to 2 by default
  • Shutdown any other Adobe products (especially PS and Premiere) while using it to make sure it has plenty of GPU and system RAM
  • The DxO Perspective correction is amazing but make sure you leave plenty or room around the building/object as the correction will shrink the image considerably
  • The best way to use the horizon and perspective correction is to draw the initial line / parallel lines / rectangle at "Zoom to Fit" and then zoom in to 50-100% to adjust it perfectly.  Eyeballing at "Zoom to Fit" isn't very accurate.
Thanks for the great tips Mack!  I appreciate your help.  I do have DxO ViewPoint and I like it a lot.  The new LR5 corrections aren't bad but I think ViewPoint is a bit better.  I wish they would give me the upgrade fee from the ViewPoint purchase toward the Optics Pro 9 Elite vers... That won't happen though! ha ha! 

Anyway, I really appreciate you telling me those items above, it will definitely speed up my learning curve and shorten my workflow, thank you! 

I'll likely end up with it after the trial expires.  As I mentioned, clients don't seem to pick up on the noise at all but it makes a big difference to me and I like the final results so far with the couple of images I processed... Just kind of stinks that the one version doesn't work for crop and FF... Seems like they could make it so it did!  But they are a profit center, not a charity and I get that! 

All the best! :)
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2013, 12:26:37 PM »
  • The DxO Perspective correction is amazing but make sure you leave plenty or room around the building/object as the correction will shrink the image considerably

Is there any difference between DxO Optics and Viewpoint? I tried Viewpoint (79$) and this is indeed amazing, beats Adobe's new "Upright" hands down, of course an as usual and unfortunate at the loss of the ACR raw workflow.

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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2013, 12:35:23 PM »
  • The DxO Perspective correction is amazing but make sure you leave plenty or room around the building/object as the correction will shrink the image considerably

Is there any difference between DxO Optics and Viewpoint? I tried Viewpoint (79$) and this is indeed amazing, beats Adobe's new "Upright" hands down, of course an as usual and unfortunate at the loss of the ACR raw workflow.
Yes, I have ViewPoint too.  Optics can process the photo start to finish, ViewPoint does not.  Not from my viewpoint anyway! lol...

I don't find the wait time for the NR processing to be that much of an issue.  It's quicker than I expected, after reading comments from others...
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2013, 12:46:25 PM »
Just kind of stinks that the one version doesn't work for crop and FF... Seems like they could make it so it did!  But they are a profit center, not a charity and I get that! 

All the best! :)
They explain it as the difference between pro (FF) and amateur (crop) users, but I agree it's painful.  If you go back to the start, though, they used to charge for the software and EACH module was another was another $99 with a discount for multiple modules!  You can read about it here:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/optics-pro.shtml

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2013, 12:48:12 PM »
Just wanted to post a edit I did in the new dxo. Just imported this and did the standard preset, then the new noise reduction and outputted to jpg.  Downsampled to 50% size.
This was at iso 10k, which in this lighting...looks bad.
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